Patek Philippe Jumbo 3800/1j heirloom(?)

Posts
1,061
Likes
1,389
I’m torn about this one. A dear family friend contacted me this weekend about a watch his dad (late 70s age) passed down to him last week. Per my buddy- it’s a 18k YG nautilus 3700/1j jumbo.

According to family lore, it was bought in St. Moritz in the early 1980’s by my buddy’s parents on vacation. Boxes and papers are lost to time. To be clear-this couple very much had the means to purchase this watch. They were an incredibly substantial family at that point. But they also bought their daughter fake Louis V and Chanel bags at that same time simply because they knew she wouldn’t take care of them (college kid at that time).

I’ve recently held the watch in the flesh and it didn’t just seem to me to be PP quality—bear in mind I’m a Rolex omega UG guy, so this caliber of watch is way about my pay grade, and this is the sole example I’ve ever held.

My advice to him (ignoring my doubts)- take it to a PP authorized dealer and start the process of sending it to the mothership for service. I assume the moment he walks into that PP store, all will come to light- for better or worse. He’ll have to travel back to Texss to do so, since there are apparently no PP boutiques in colorado. But it seems to me that’s the most trustworthy way of learning about this watch.

PP guys- take a look at these few awful photos and let me know.

TLDR VERSION- the dad very well could’ve bought a legit PP in 1983, basically ignored it for decades, but did he?

Edited:
 
Posts
2,784
Likes
5,853
. This fmzilys’s history is so crazy that a mere post does it zero justice and provides no insight…so I figured I’d let the crappy photos fo the talking.
I hear nothing
 
Posts
241
Likes
378
Impossible to tell from these photos, sorry.
Does it have the weight of 24k gold (i.e. feels very heavy)?
 
Posts
605
Likes
785
Photos are not great - but the back has what appears gold hallmarks at the back, in the right place.
I would suggest that he gets the watch examined at a PP dealer, but then gets it serviced/ overhauled at a top independent watchmaker, with the instructions of not changing dial, hands or crown - and only give a good clean in ultrasonic to the case.

 
Posts
13,081
Likes
17,936
No such thing as a watch case made from 24K gold. It would be way too soft to be practically used. If the paperwork says 24K, I would be worried.

Even those watches that were made from gold coins (US gold coins were 21.6K, or 90% pure) or the 99.99% pure Credit Suisse gold bars, had 18K outside bezels to protect against everyday bumps and bruises.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
 
Posts
13,433
Likes
52,868
Terrible pics but from what I can see … fake. Given the back story, it would not be surprising. I’ve seen and tried these in the metal, know people who own them and while not to my taste, or budget, they are just perfectly finished. This is clearly not, even with the bad pics and the age. Still I second the appraisal recco.
 
Posts
1,061
Likes
1,389
No such thing as a watch case made from 24K gold. It would be way too soft to be practically used. If the paperwork says 24K, I would be worried.

Even those watches that were made from gold coins (US gold coins were 21.6K, or 90% pure) or the 99.99% pure Credit Suisse gold bars, had 18K outside bezels to protect against everyday bumps and bruises.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
He told me it is a 3700/1j in yellow gold, his mom recalled they purchased in early 80s from jewelry store in St. Moritz. Box and papers disappeared long ago.

Does anyone have a trusted independent watchmaker in Denver they could refer him to in lieu of traveling to PP’s Dallas AD? I urged him to the AD since he’s traveling to dallas soon anyways.

I held it in my hands once when staying at the parents house, and I admit I was not impressed with the finish in-person. But it’s the only one I’ve ever handled so I have no basis of reference.
Edited:
 
Posts
13,433
Likes
52,868
Sorry you are correct. I typed 24k in my haste. He told me it is a 3700/1j in yellow gold, his mom recalled they purchased in early 80s from jewelry store in St. Moritz. Box and papers disappeared long ago.

Does anyone have a trusted independent watchmaker in Denver they could refer him to in lieu of traveling to PP’s Dallas AD? I urged him to the AD since he’s traveling to dallas soon anyways.

I held it in my hands once when staying at the parents house, and I admit I was not impressed with the finish in-person. But it’s the only one I’ve ever handled so I have no basis of reference.
If you were not impressed and you are a Rolex/ Omega /UG guy, you have answered your own question.
 
Posts
1,046
Likes
1,124
Did any part of the story mention a really bad service? There is a LOT of soft edges, particularly on the bezel, but also on the hinge. Unless someone wore the crap out of it, or it went in for a bad service, I wouldn't expect even 18K to look that 'soft'.
 
Posts
7,507
Likes
13,877
The 3700/1 series had the ultrathin auto movement with NO seconds hand. Real or not that watch is NOT a 3700/1 Jumbo model.
 
Posts
605
Likes
785
Probably a 3800 if genuine, but would be 37.5 mm and not 42mm
Edited:
 
Posts
1,061
Likes
1,389
Quick update- I'm still waiting on better photos. In the meantime, the Dallas PP dealer told him over the phone he should take it (or have it sent?) directly to The Henri Stern Watch Agency, Inc. in NYC.

Is it normal business for a PP Authorized dealer to accept these watches for service, and manage the shipment to the PP service center? Is there a PP service center in USA, or does everything return to Switzerland? Thanks again for all of the input.
 
Posts
7,507
Likes
13,877
Quick update- I'm still waiting on better photos. In the meantime, the Dallas PP dealer told him over the phone he should take it (or have it sent?) directly to The Henri Stern Watch Agency, Inc. in NYC.

Is it normal business for a PP Authorized dealer to accept these watches for service, and manage the shipment to the PP service center? Is there a PP service center in USA, or does everything return to Switzerland? Thanks again for all of the input.
Henri Stern will do some repairs in the US, but anything of complication will go back to Switzerland. It's usually better to deal with Henri Stern directly for older watches not purchased from a current dealer.
 
Posts
2,784
Likes
5,853
did you check the serifs on the date-wheel and length of seconds-hand at that period ? Smimilar ones found on www?
 
Posts
1,061
Likes
1,389
did you check the serifs on the date-wheel and length of seconds-hand at that period ? Smimilar ones found on www?
I noticed the serifs on the date wheel on this watch are more modern than what this watch purports to be, and the dial is Swiss only (no sigma) seemingly being more modern also? And this sweep hand is longer.
Edited: