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Originally about tariffs and watches ... now just political rambling
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesProve it.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerOnly US President to have his personal wealth decrease.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverProve it.
I agree, we need proof of that claim. It's a lot easier to say very simply that we have proof Trump is corrupt, since falsifying business records fairly inarguably falls under the definition of corruption.
Anyway, it doesn't look like I'm going to get a response about the MS13 tattoo, so where I was going with this is this: that interview is the perfect example of how important loyalty to Trump is. He says something that is blatantly, demonstrably false and expects that you believe it. That is one fairly extreme example among hundreds- thousands- some as minor as "it was sunny on my inauguration." The overwhelming message is to believe falsehood as fact, no matter how inane the falsehood. When I say it's overwhelming, I mean that it overwhelms many people's ability to parse the constant stream of falsehood. And, those who openly question are punished (just as is crystal clear in this interview). His falsehood insists upon itself.
This may seem like such a minor thing but it is both the start and end of his request for loyalty, and it is loyalty to an individual, not party. And that's, it's just not an American value. It's something else.
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and we have 50 former American intelligence officials that tasted it and said "Yep, definitely Russian"
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·Prove it.
Why Did Donald Trump Lose Wealth After Presidency?
During his first presidency between 2017 and 2021, Trump's starting net worth of $3 billion went down to $2.3 billion, according to Bloomberg.https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-net-worth-us-presidents-before-after-office-1992975
This Newsweek article had the chart. Can't believe I had to Google for you. I thought you were internet Savvy.
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·I agree, we need proof of that claim. It's a lot easier to say very simply that we have proof Trump is corrupt, since falsifying business records fairly inarguably falls under the definition of corruption.
Anyway, it doesn't look like I'm going to get a response about the MS13 tattoo, so where I was going with this is this: that interview is the perfect example of how important loyalty to Trump is. He says something that is blatantly, demonstrably false and expects that you believe it. That is one fairly extreme example among hundreds- thousands- some as minor as "it was sunny on my inauguration." The overwhelming message is to believe falsehood as fact, no matter how inane the falsehood. When I say it's overwhelming, I mean that it overwhelms many people's ability to parse the constant stream of falsehood. And, those who openly question are punished (just as is crystal clear in this interview). His falsehood insists upon itself.
This may seem like such a minor thing but it is both the start and end of his request for loyalty, and it is loyalty to an individual, not party. And that's, it's just not an American value. It's something else.
Since you mentioned the business records. Trumps gets a loan from Deutsche Bank. Trump presents his appraisals of property as collateral. Deutsche Bank says no problem. Trump Organization gets loan, Trump Organization pays back loan. Everyone happy. 20 years later or whatever, schlock NY DA or whatever under the direction of Biden lackeys claims criminal fraud. Appraisals too high. Not civil case from Deutsche Bank, they are happy as clams. Well, you know the rest of the story.......................
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·Noelekal, he would reply, but he has too much class.
Me, I don't care because biased OF'ers would blather on till the cows come home.
Me, I don't care because biased OF'ers would blather on till the cows come home.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerWhy Did Donald Trump Lose Wealth After Presidency?
During his first presidency between 2017 and 2021, Trump's starting net worth of $3 billion went down to $2.3 billion, according to Bloomberg.
https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-net-worth-us-presidents-before-after-office-1992975
This Newsweek article had the chart. Can't believe I had to Google for you. I thought you were internet Savvy.
"The Bloomberg report attributed the drop in the president-elect's wealth to the COVID-19 pandemic, which had an impact on the wealth he was making from his office buildings, hotels and resorts."
He would have lost this if he was president or not as pretty much all hotels and resorts lost money. He likely would have lost more if he was not president, since he had government workers renting out floors in Trump tower and used his own hotels for events that were related to his presidency.
"In addition, after the January 6 Capitol attack in 2021, Trump's rapport with brokers and lenders was damaged and he faced $590 million in loans to cover in the space of a few years."
This is a self-own of the highest order, and losses came after he was out of office.
"However, his net worth has since rebounded to $6.5 billion, making him one of the world's richest 500 people, according to Bloomberg. This is largely down to the value of Truth Social parent Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), of which the president-elect is the majority shareholder."
Looks like he has rebounded...
Time will tell on the second term I guess. If he is reported to lose money during this term, when virtually all presidents before him made money, there are two options:
1 - He's lying
2 - He's horrible at the art of the deal
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The Father
·He's also a rapist.
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·From your source...not sure if you read beyond the headline...
"The Bloomberg report attributed the drop in the president-elect's wealth to the COVID-19 pandemic, which had an impact on the wealth he was making from his office buildings, hotels and resorts."
He would have lost this if he was president or not as pretty much all hotels and resorts lost money. He likely would have lost more if he was not president, since he had government workers renting out floors in Trump tower and used his own hotels for events that were related to his presidency.
"In addition, after the January 6 Capitol attack in 2021, Trump's rapport with brokers and lenders was damaged and he faced $590 million in loans to cover in the space of a few years."
This is a self-own of the highest order, and losses came after he was out of office.
"However, his net worth has since rebounded to $6.5 billion, making him one of the world's richest 500 people, according to Bloomberg. This is largely down to the value of Truth Social parent Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), of which the president-elect is the majority shareholder."
Looks like he has rebounded...
Time will tell on the second term I guess. If he is reported to lose money during this term, when virtually all presidents before him made money, there are two options:
1 - He's lying
2 - He's horrible at the art of the deal
It is nice being the 'boss' give me time to answer all the inane malarkey.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerStarted social media companies. Sounds rather smart to me. He didn't get on his knees too special interests begging for job or money. Glad you looked it up Archer. You could have in the first place.
But it's clear he didn't lose money because he was president. At least not while he was president. So the point still stands - Power, adulation/attention, and most certainly money.
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Tony C.
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The Father
·Your claim, so your burden of proof.
But it's clear he didn't lose money because he was president. At least not while he was president. So the point still stands - Power, adulation/attention, and most certainly money.
So, starting media companies is not an acceptable method of wealth accumulation.
Your right, I am sure there was never a President that enjoyed the trapping of the Presidency. Just Donald J Trump President of the United States number 45 and 47. Anyway, this is rather enjoyable. I can see all the OF'ers typing furiously, muttering SOB SOB SOB
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Where the hell have you been Tony? About time you contributed.
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blufinz52
··Hears dead people, not watch rotors.
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Dan S
·Now that someone has crapped all over the thread, it doesn't look like we will ever get back to discussing tariffs and foreign trade. Might as well freeze it now. But I'll put this up first, so we know what type of person we're dealing with.
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texasmade
·Not surprising coming from a guy who voted for a rapist.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverWhile I'm still extending some benefit of the doubt to noelekal, it's been wildly clear that the other individual posting isn't interested in any sort of factual discussion for a while. To everyone who is interested in factual discussion- I'd request you just stop responding and move on. It is essentially impossible to have dialog with someone that is capable of supporting a politician, but simultaneously incapable of criticizing that politician. If there is no objectivity in thought, what remains amounts to predisposition and prejudice and masquerades as loyalty.
There's been quite a few items the last several days even that make the tariff situation worth continued discussion.
EDIT: typos and context.
There's been quite a few items the last several days even that make the tariff situation worth continued discussion.
EDIT: typos and context.
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pdxleaf
·From your source...not sure if you read beyond the headline...
"The Bloomberg report attributed the drop in the president-elect's wealth to the COVID-19 pandemic, which had an impact on the wealth he was making from his office buildings, hotels and resorts."
He would have lost this if he was president or not as pretty much all hotels and resorts lost money. He likely would have lost more if he was not president, since he had government workers renting out floors in Trump tower and used his own hotels for events that were related to his presidency.
"In addition, after the January 6 Capitol attack in 2021, Trump's rapport with brokers and lenders was damaged and he faced $590 million in loans to cover in the space of a few years."
This is a self-own of the highest order, and losses came after he was out of office.
"However, his net worth has since rebounded to $6.5 billion, making him one of the world's richest 500 people, according to Bloomberg. This is largely down to the value of Truth Social parent Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), of which the president-elect is the majority shareholder."
Looks like he has rebounded...
Time will tell on the second term I guess. If he is reported to lose money during this term, when virtually all presidents before him made money, there are two options:
1 - He's lying
2 - He's horrible at the art of the deal
How about the 500k to get a meeting with the Whitehouse?
How about the deal with Qatar for hotels using his brand a week before he flys there?
Some of his supporters are okay with it because they think he deserves it or justify it by saying everyone does it, but most people recognize it as blatant corruption.