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  1. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    So while perusing my saved auctions over coffee this morning, this thing popped up. The BIN price was too good to be true. The seller has great feedback, looks like a picker, not a watch guy but has sold a bunch of watches with good feedback (Some of my best scores have been from pickers).
    I cross referenced as fast as I could, it already had 4 watchers on it.
    There were some slight differences with it and other with the same ref, no hanger S, the textured dial, the T Swiss Made T (others of this era I saw don’t have the T’s), and it looks like it has a service crown.
    The hands are blocking the M’s on both Omega and Automatic so couldn’t see those...I decided to take the gamble at the price since it was me against anyone else looking and bought it.
    I am wondering if I just got a great deal or overpaid for Franken/redial.
    He offers 30 days return anyway so if it is a piece of trash I could always return it.

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/333166012238
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  2. Dan S Apr 21, 2019

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    Not a bad pickup at the right price. I'm suspicious of the hands, but others will know better. I also like to see movements where the parts match better in color, but that can sometimes be due to the lighting.

    [After a closer look ... I noticed the "T SWISS MADE T" without lume on the dial. Not impossible, but deserves more scrutiny.]
     
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  3. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    Agreed- that T Swiss T was a red flag to me too but I have read here that sometimes that happened. I also question the hands but the incides are the block style (name?) so would be in keeping esthetically.
    Also read that the early 60’s was a transitional period of the Hanger S, so that too may check out.
    Edit-if at worst I have to pick up a hand set and crown I still will feels it’s a win.

    Edit #2- just looked up the ref again-99% the hands are wrong.
     
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  4. efauser I ♥ karma!!! Apr 21, 2019

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    Hands are wrong.
     
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  5. Passover Apr 21, 2019

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    With the issues (wrong hands, T Swiss T, crown) I don't know if nearly 300 bucks really is good price for it...
     
  6. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    Ugh! I love the case shape. I have 2 Deville’s and this style has been on my list.
    Where would I source correct hands for it? I don’t think Orfei has much stock left- who has been hoarding parts for these guys?
     
  7. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    If the investment exceeds the value I may just turn it around and send it back, but am interested in seeing if it’s worth it...provided the dial is correct for the case
     
  8. 77deluxe Apr 21, 2019

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    At the end of the day, it’s a great watch to wear and enjoy. If you like it, wear the heck outta it.
     
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  9. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    Thank you!!! I’m excited. Sure I would like to track down original hands and service crowns don’t bother me and originals can be had cheaply. As long as it runs well after a service and is mostly there I’m happy.
    Now if i paid $1k for this, I would be pissed
     
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  10. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Apr 21, 2019

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    Here’s what a Ref. 14763 looks like with a proper dial:

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    https://omegaforums.net/threads/bea...iber-562-exceptionally-nice-linen-dial.16574/

    The movement looks like it was harshly treated over the years. That would concern me more than the dial or hands. I would think that getting correct hands or a crown could be done at a reasonable price, but add in a movement service and now your $300 Omega is now up to close to $500, and it still has a redial.

    You would be hard pressed to ever recoup $500 for it with a dial like that, IMO.

    This is why we make such a big deal on the dials of these vintage Omegas.
    gatorcpa
     
  11. Observer I know nothing! Apr 21, 2019

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    My rookie 2¢: I googled "omega 14763" and saw the hand issue right away. Still a nice looking watch. There are far more expensive lessons you could have learned. ;)
     
  12. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    Well, I have a couple other redials that I think are quite good looking that were 1/3 the price of an original example and I know they don’t have much financial value but are a joy to wear.
    I am gathering from opinions so far that the hands are 100% not correct (are they still Omega hands and if so, from which model?), and most likely the dial is a redial. The texture on the dial has me still guessing though as most redials I have seen are painted and not textured metal as this one appears. Is it possible it is a genuine omega dial from a different model?
     
  13. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    So have done some poking around on the web, the reason I was attracted to this watch was the case shape, which reminds me of the 166.010 (is this reference the predecessor of the 010?)

    The dial is what has me puzzled. Yes, it is not correct for this reference- the TSwiss madeT and the later style S in seamaster aren’t right, but they are correct for the 010. Normally I would agree with “redial!” and call it a day but everything looks so right to me, particularly the vertical grained finish on the metal dial which I normally haven’t seen on a redial, they are usually painted. Is it possible this is a factory service replacement using the later style dial as used in the 166.010?
    Or a Franken using a factory dial from a later reference?
     
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  14. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Apr 21, 2019

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    I don't think so.

    1. "T Swiss T" with absolutely no tritium on the dial.
    2. I don't like the letter "m" in Seamaster. Something about the up and down of the left side of the letter just doesn't look right to me. 1000.jpg

    Maybe we just need more detailed photos?
    gatorcpa
     
  15. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    These are the things that help me learn! Thanks @gatorcpa. When I get it I will take some detailed pics. At the price, if I can throw a set of appropriate hands on it and it runs I’ll be happy. I have a friend who does watchworking (he is not a watchmaker-would never put him in the professional class), could easily replace the hands , so the only cost would be sourcing them. Crown is easy and as I said previously, a service crown doesn’t bother me much.
     
  16. JwRosenthal Apr 21, 2019

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    So just grabbed a web pic of an 010 close-up and compared it to the one I got- it looks like a redial. The “omega” is rounded and not as squat, and the other details are pretty obvious in close detail....although I have to say I think it’s a pretty decent attempt.
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  17. Violawit Apr 22, 2019

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    Hi guys,
    This is my first post on the forums, and by coincidence the watch I just purchased a few days ago has these same hands! They are correct for the watch (167.067), so here are a few photos!
    This was produced from 1969-1972, so the hands must be from about that period, and it seems they have lume on the tips after the onyx insert.
    Cheers!
     
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  18. Passover Apr 23, 2019

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    Greetings from Münster!

    You are from Düsseldorf, my hometown?

    I think the OPs hands are different from yours, they could have been taken from a totally different watch
     
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