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Omega Speedmaster ST145.003....Anyone else have one ?

  1. flame

    flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 31, 2013

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    Hi

    This appears to be an uncommon reference ST145.003 vintage Speedmaster that was produced for a very short period following the ST105.003 and prior to the 105.012/145.012:

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    My example dates to November 1967 - Does anyone else own an example of this reference Speedmaster ?

    Happy New Year !

    Best - Neil
     
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  2. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    I've never actually seen a caseback off one of these, could you post some shots of it? Almost thought it was an urban legend or something
     
  3. The Master of Speed

    The Master of Speed Dec 31, 2013

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  4. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    Ah! Very cool thanks for including an extract too, that's very informative especially the final remark "This watch was produced under the internal reference 105.003".

    So effectively just like when the transition from four digit to six digit references happened and the last of the 2998s became 105.002s, when the 105.xxx to 145.xxx transition happened and the 105.012 became a 145.012, the leftover 105.003s became 145.003s.

    Makes sense since there are 105.003-66 casebacks they probably had some still left over in 67 when the 145.012-67 was around.
     
  5. flame

    flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 31, 2013

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  7. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    Probably the most uncommon cal. 321 speedmaster reference.
     
  8. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Dec 31, 2013

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    The 145.003 is nothing else than the 105.003 after mapics system renaming around summer 1967.
     
  9. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Dec 31, 2013

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    Thus, not uncommon at all. Unfortunately in Omega archives there is mix between 105.003 and 145.003. 2 consecutive serial can be called 105 or 145, I do not know why
     
  10. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    Not uncommon with the inner caseback stamped 145.003? Would love to see pictures of the inner casebacks stamped with this reference number. If it is stamped as a 105.003 and only has an extract that uses the 145.003 ref. then I agree it is not uncommon at all.
     
  11. Joe K.

    Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Dec 31, 2013

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    It would be great if someone could post a picture of such a s case back. I have not been able to find one.
    One thing I did find on Old-Omegas.com is a catalog using this ref number. Note that the example in the catalog is no longer the flat lug design?

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  12. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    The watch posted by Master of Speed is stamped 105.003 in the inner caseback.
     
  13. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    Yea just noticed that from the tumblr thread, which makes it more of a marketing adjustment than a reference adjustment.

    Brings back the question though, are there any with 145.003 on the caseback?

    tumblr_mro4r1OKmi1s585bmo8_1280.jpg tumblr_mro4r1OKmi1s585bmo1_500.jpg
     
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  14. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Dec 31, 2013

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    I have seen only 1x a double reference inside caseback, but to answer the initial question, sevetal dozen indicated asc145.003 in the archives.
    Iwill post a picture of this caseback
     
  15. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 31, 2013

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    That'd be really cool if you could find the photo
     
  16. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Jan 1, 2014

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    [​IMG]

    Original engraving? Don't know....
     
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  17. wwhntr

    wwhntr Jan 1, 2014

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    Having trouble finding picture of 145.003 case back, did find this. The 105.002 may not be as elusive as the 145.003, but still uncommon reference...very short production run.

    Speedmaster 105.002 caseback.jpg Speedmaster 105.002 dial side.jpg
     
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  19. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Jan 2, 2014

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    I also have a warranty paper of a 145.003, sold in 1969 (unfortunately, not the watch itself).

    In summary, ST 145.003 is nothing else than a 105.003 produced after summer 1967.
    - "145.003" was indicated in the catalogs
    - "145.003" is indicated in Omega archives, but strangely, consecutive batches can be either noted as 105.003 or 145.003
    - Most of the time, ST 145.003 are engraved "105.003-65" on the caseback, with the exception illustrated above

    Conclusion: ST 145.003 is not rare, it was unknown because the engraving of the caseback did not change.
     
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  20. Dash1

    Dash1 Formerly: Ash Jan 3, 2014

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    Interesting thread. I always thought it might be a printing error in the catalogue. BTW re the catalogue shown above, Omega used any photo hanging around to illustrate the Speedmaster models. I have seen all kinds of inconsistencies between the photos and model number. Of course no one cared about the detail then.