Hi, I am looking for a nice Speedy from 1968 and found the following watch : https://www.chrono24.at/omega/speed...1--id2647184.htm?urlSubpath=/user/notepad.htm What do you experts say to that offer ?? i am not happy with the dial !! Your opinions please , thanks, Josef
I dont think it is fake but I also dont think it left the factory with that dial. I certainly wouldn't buy it and suggest you keep looking. Though I would not describe myself as an expert
Josef -- this dial doesn't indicate a 321 calibre movement but 861. You need to see photos of the movement to know if the calibre is 321 or not. Seller may intend this is that but uploaded the wrong photos? There's no way of knowing without photos. You can ask seller for photos For a 1968 Speedmaster, try searching 145.022 145.012 105.012 105.003 and see what results show. Adding -68 to the end of each search limits the results but is what you say you want. You should know as well Chrono24 (and online venues generally) can be a minefield if you're not sure what to look for in a Speedmaster.
The listing describes it as a 145.012 - 68 SP, isn't that the cal 321 and the 145.012 - 68 ST being a cal 861? But as you say, only way to be sure is to see an image of the movement.
The dial doesn't look right for any Speedy. "T Swiss Made T" is crooked as is the 6'oclock lume. I would pass. You will find another if you are patient. Regards. Bill
Hi again, yes it is a bit confused. Seller means the dial is rare because of the printed logo and he also declared that the logos of the cal.861 doesn't fit in the 321 which is the caliber in that watch . he sent me photos :
Something isnt right about this watch and I'd pass on it. My '67 has a movement number newer than the one shown above so not sure how that one could be a '68. The dial from a 861 will fit a 321 and vice versa if you really wanted to. The case also looks pretty worn.
The movement number fits the -68 watch. However the clutch bridge is symmetrical. This indicates that part at least is 1964 or earlier. You have a movement which raises still more questions and still no answers. Regards. Bill
Imho ... Pass!!! Seems put together as parts look mismatched to my eye. One quick for instance is ... This symmetrical bridge is likely used in earlier Speedmasters, approx 1962-3 and/or earlier, doesn't belong with S/N in the 24 million range (approx 1967 or so) I would forget this watch and move on! UNLESS you're parts shopping and this is very cheap (which it seems, isn't).
This watch has had a mysterious history... I would pass, mysterious in this case is not a good thing.
Well there it is ... and this part from pic #1 seems a different colour too. Swapped in part?? Now you have a better idea what to look for .... in your next search Good luck!!
Hi , yes you're right. That's a mysterious thing. I will let it pass and try to find another one. Thanks for your opinions which were very helpful. If i find another one i will post here again. Greets, Josef
Oh, thanks for that details. Fantastic place with great people here !! Now i know a lot more for my next searches !!! Thanks, Josef
Movement issues as above, case is over polished and pretty poor, dial is wrong and the hands look new. I'd say at best it's a watch that's been poorly restored and at worse it's a complete Franken. Pass. Patience is the name of the game. A good one WILL come up and it will be worth the wait. The FS forum here is a safe-ish place to start. There was also a nice '68 on eBay a few weeks ago. You can see it in the auctions section here for reference.
Hi Joseph , now im also here in this forum, forget this Speedy , its completely unpossible to find a 145012 with painted Logo Best regards Elmar
Thanks Elmar, the dial was the first part to doubt as a good friend told me to look at. But for the movement you need experts like the people here !!! Thanks to everybody here to save my money , i keep on searching !!! greets, josef
