Hi guys,

Contemplating buying this, but something troubles me. Seller says its a cal 321 145.012 from 1969? Original receipt comes with the watch. So, is it genuine or with a service case or are the seller just off on the year? Sadly no pictures of the inside of the case back.

Had a few newer speedys before, but I think its time to delve into the premoons, so any help greatly appreaciated!

 

Probably just a replacement caseback, but the bracelet's new too. I'd look for anything else that might have had some work done - I think the hands may have; the dial lume could have been redone too.

 

The endlinks are definitely modern 633's. Check the inside caseback and see if it's 145.012 or 145.0012 (the extra zero denoting a modern caseback).

Neither are deal breakers, though probably do bring the value down. Vintage casebacks for 145.012 do come up now and again.

Do proceed with some caution as once a red flag goes up, there's probably more to know about, especially if seller claims it's all original.

 

Cheers guys. Sellers claims the original bracelets comes with the watch. And just to clarify, I started the thread with 145.0012, sellers says 145.012, my bad. Pretty convinced its 1967, sold in 1969. Unfortunately no shots of the inside of the case back.

 

Hej Uffe.

Let me just state that this one is not going to end near the estimate...

 

Not really, no

 

Also note what appears to be creep on the hour recorder.

The bracelet certainly did not come with the watch as a) it's a new 1171 / 633 ends and b) I don't think the 145.012 ever came from the factory with the 1171 in any case. Though it's possible.

Even if the caseback is a proper 145.012, I'd look for a lower price.

 

I have a 145.022 Speedmaster transitional with the Calibre 861. Original bracelet for it is the 1171/633 end links. Inside caseback says 69 but they were actually made late 69 into 1970.
What is the serial number start with on this model?

 

1968-69 were the production dates for this Speedmaster with serial starting with 26xxxxxx.
1968/69 has the 321 being replaced by the 861 so it's probably early to mid 1968.

 

Hmm... are you the first owner of the watch? It's possible it was offered as an option, but it seems that the 1171 replaced the 1039 beginning in the 1970s, on the 145.022-69 (according to MWO). I don't think the 1171 was even available in the 1960s.

Again, in any case - the 1171 on the watch in question posted by the OP is a modern replacement, so is definitely not original to the watch.

 

1171 was the original bracelet for the Calibre 861 model 145.022 69-ST. Serial number 29xxxxxx
I am not sure on the Calibre 321.

The watch in question bracelet is a service or NOS bracelet. Original 1171's like mine have a trapezoid around the omega logo.

 

Not exclusively. Some early 69's still came with the 1039. I've had a one owner, all original 69 with its original 1039 bracelet.

 

The 1039 was produced through 1972, so chances are the 1171 was produced concurrently for a little while - but they tend to show up towards the end of 145.022-69 production (year 1970/71).

I have a one-owner 220-bezel produced in November 1970 with its original 1039 bracelet, stamped 4/70.

 

The advert clearly says that the bracelet isn't the original, buthe original is included in the sale.

 

Also the movement is in pretty banged up condition to my untrained eyes. Doesn't it look like it could use some TLC? Center jewel (probably not the right name ) is chipped. Also looks like someone has been pretty rough with the screedriver. Isn't it going to quite expensive getting that into shape again?

 

Hammered at 38.000+20% = 45.600 DKK = 6.792 $

http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/o...ional-herrearmbaandsur-1967/i4167183/?ver=23c

 

No wonder it went so high, conveniently advertised on the Speedy-Shark richest sea on the planet

 

I've seen it in person, and everything visible is really nice. I agree with Togri, that from the picture, the movement looks a little so so. I've seen pics of the bracelet, which is a 1039 from -68. Unfortunately no endlinks.

 

Yes, det exterior seems nice. The bezel A high price in my opinion considering the costs of a service, especially in Denmark (if it is a Danish buyer that is).

 

Any takes om what a service might cost for a 321 in that condition?