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Omega SEAMASTER 200 166.091 IDF

Bacchus
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Dear everybody !
I bought a vintage OMEGA 166.091 from Israel
The owner sold to me as an IDF watch.
He gave me the hand signed documents of the original soldier and his chief Admiral of the Israeli Navy force who delivered to him and to others soldier. I got even the picture of the soldier.
Besides He gave me even the serial nr and the copy of the IDF degree of the soldier
Only after getting the watch I asked for the Extract: It attests the watch had been sold to ISRAEL
The question is : is it possible that part of the watches given to IDF by OMEGA had been made traced in the OMEGA inventory and part bought directly from the OMEGA shops or from OMEGA headquarter without specifing IDF but only ISRAEL??
Thanks
Luca
 
Bacchus
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To complete the description , I add that the date is on black instead of on white
 
SaarAvigour
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Hi Luca,

- I was an IDF Naval Officer at my time 😀, and own myself an Omega Seamaster 166.091. I've purchased it from Omega official distributor in Israel for it's ruggedness and diver test. IDF Navy is though known to have issued some Eterna-Matic Kontiki watches.

- Would there be some IDF Navy issued 166.091's, these would mandatorily bear an Israeli Navy Cat. #. Inscription on case back (as with any army issued equipment, everywhere in the world I guess).

- FYI, all 166.091's have a black date wheel, surrounded by a white border. Nothing special here.

If you paid for yours a reasonable sum, and enjoy it, I wouldn't care much for else. Only for authenticity. For example you should have a 1002 movement, black contoured sword hour and minute hands and white second hand, etc. I'm mentioning these as some 166.091's have passed service routines throughout their lives, not all by Omega, which could down value them in collectors' eyes.

If you feel like, I could have a look for you on the "paperwork" mentioned above.

In any case. See good times and calm waves with your acquisition.

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On the bright side. 166.091's get scarcer and gain interest in collectors circles. A reasonably maintained piece holds its value.

Ciao,

Saar
 
Bacchus
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[QUOTE = "SaarAvigour, post: 1767619, member: 76814"] Ciao Luca,

- 😀Ai miei tempi ero un ufficiale navale dell'IDF e possiedo un Omega Seamaster 166.091. L'ho acquistato dal distributore ufficiale Omega in Israele per la sua robustezza e il test subacqueo. L'IDF Navy è noto per aver emesso alcuni orologi Eterna-Matic Kontiki.

- Se ci fossero dei 166.091 della Marina IDF emessi, questi porterebbero obbligatoriamente un gatto della marina israeliana. #. Iscrizione sul fondello (come per qualsiasi equipaggiamento emesso dall'esercito, immagino ovunque nel mondo).

- Cordiali saluti, tutti i 166.091 hanno una ruota della data nera, circondata da un bordo bianco. Niente di speciale qui.

Se pagassi per il tuo una somma ragionevole e ti divertissi, non mi importerebbe molto per il resto. Solo per autenticità. Ad esempio, dovresti avere un movimento 1002, lancette delle ore e dei minuti a forma di spada nere e lancetta dei secondi bianca, ecc. Li menziono perché alcuni 166.091 hanno superato le routine di servizio per tutta la vita, non tutti Omega, il che potrebbe diminuire di valore negli occhi dei collezionisti.

Se ne hai voglia, potrei darti un'occhiata sulle "pratiche burocratiche" di cui sopra.

In ogni caso. Guarda bei momenti e calma le onde con la tua acquisizione.

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Il lato positivo. 166.091 diventano più scarsi e guadagnano interesse nei circoli dei collezionisti. Un pezzo ragionevolmente mantenuto mantiene il suo valore.

Ciao,

Saar [/ QUOTE]

Hello thank you very much
io just published all the documents in my hands
 
SaarAvigour
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Hi Luca,

Examining the documents you've attached there is a mismatch of data not corresponding to any related facts:
a. Name of Naval Officer mentioned in the Commendation Document is real. I knew him in person. No other evident relation of him to your watch.
b. Photo is bogus in context. Officer wears a foreign navy cap. Definitely not IDF Navy. It also doesn't look like the person I knew,
c. Commendation Document is real. No relation to either the seller or buyer names as mentioned in the hand written page. Probably downloaded from the net.
d. Hand written page documents a sale/purchase of one Eterna-Matic Kontiki (also see my previous comment above) of IDF Navy's 13th. Squadron. Has nothing in it relating to your 166.091 (or any other Omega diver), and or originally above Commended Officer.
e. As seen in photos attached, Case, Face, Hands, Inscriptions and Bracelet seem to be legit for the model. This is good for you.

Hope I've created not too much disappointment, Luca. It's your post that drew my attention,

Have a good day,

Saar
 
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SaarAvigour SaarAvigour
Hi Luca,

Examining the documents you've attached there is a mismatch of data not corresponding to any related facts:
a. Name of Naval Officer mentioned in the Commendation Document is real. I knew him in person. No other evident relation of him to your watch.
b. Photo is bogus in context. Officer wears a foreign navy cap. Definitely not IDF Navy. It also doesn't look like the person I knew,
c. Commendation Document is real. No relation to either the seller or buyer names as mentioned in the hand written page. Probably downloaded from the net.
d. Hand written page documents a sale/purchase of one Eterna-Matic Kontiki (also see my previous comment above) of IDF Navy's 13th. Squadron. Has nothing in it relating to your 166.091 (or any other Omega diver), and or originally above Commended Officer.
e. As seen in photos attached, Case, Face, Hands, Inscriptions and Bracelet seem to be legit for the model. This is good for you.

Hope I've created not too much disappointment, Luca. It's your post that drew my attention,

Have a good day,

Saar

it`s not the first time, these Omega 200 m watches come up as IDF property. Which was not the case. If used by the IDF, these were private purchases and that`s why the EoA only states delivery to Israel. To my knowledge, there was never an IDF contract with the Omega Factory. Most Government military purchases of watches from the producers included a non disclosure details clause in the contract. not sure how long, but probably 50 years. great watch anyway. just not with that history. kind regards. Achim
 
Bacchus
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Dear All @Saar@Achim

Thanks for your support : only some more details
1) The watch belonged to the soldier not to the admiral; the admiral delivered to him like to other soldiers
2) I added the wrong document ( very sorry for this!! but I don't know the ebraic language; that was rewally for an Eterna Kontiki signed on the back IDF)
3) Attached the right one in English ; he added both
4) The IDF certificate could be indeed from the web
5) I can ask to the seller new details: is there one to understand better than a signed document? I mean there is no reason to lie because I bought it from him as per standard market price for an OMEGA 200 166.091. He told me only later that It was connected with IDF...
....For example He has even the ETERNA KONTIKI fully signed on the back with the related document I attached for mistake before
Anyway there's no problem even if it's a standard one, ...

Yes the watch is original and great ..thanks
I have even an OMEGA 165.024 SEAMASTER 300 😀 & one 120 136.027 all beautiful watches

regards
Luca
 
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watchyouwant
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Luca, please..... Let it be. No IDF soldiers or higher rank would want his name and number plastered all over the internet. No IDF Admiral would write such a piece of paper and give it to somebody, he does not even know. That is not according to the IDF code of conduct. Be happy for what it is. It is definitely NOT an IDF issued watch. Kind regards. Achim
 
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Grazie ad entrambi per il vostro tempo
Ok I will 😀, just on my wrist now !
 
Revo
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The question is: is it kosher? (Sorry.)

A lot of the "IDF" Eternas that turn up are NOT genuine and have had caseback engravings added.

I also seem to remember that EoA's will often say only the country and not the fact that it was a mil contract supply. I also seem to recall that while (e.g.) an Omega TA/FA '53 or RN SM300 *might* say it was delivered to the RAF or Navy, it's *always* the case that with IDF stuff it only ever says "Israel". I might have that wrong. The folk at mwr will know.
 
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Revo Revo
The question is: is it kosher? (Sorry.)

A lot of the "IDF" Eternas that turn up are NOT genuine and have had caseback engravings added.

I also seem to remember that EoA's will often say only the country and not the fact that it was a mil contract supply. I also seem to recall that while (e.g.) an Omega TA/FA '53 or RN SM300 *might* say it was delivered to the RAF or Navy, it's *always* the case that with IDF stuff it only ever says "Israel". I might have that wrong. The folk at mwr will know.

That is not the question here. They were not issued to the IDF. And the folk at MWR solved that question a long time ago.
 
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That is not the question here. They were not issued to the IDF. And the folk at MWR solved that question a long time ago.

Sorry, I thought that was the question here, i.e. is this an issued IDF watch? But I often get the wrong end of the stick. Happy to be corrected.

Off topic Omega newbie question: is the cal. 1002 highly thought of round here? I always think it looks a bit basic, presumably the focus was on quartz and hummers and things at that time and mechanical movements were old hat. Made in conjunction with Tissot iirc?
 
watchyouwant
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Revo, sorry. I was a bit short in my answer. The process is a different one: when a clearance/combat diver has completed his training and his government awards special divers watches for these guys, they are handed out at the ceremony . Get registered with the numbers and assigned to that soldier. Done by the training unit. No matter if IDF Shav 13, Gsg 9, Navy seals, SAS , SBS and others....there is no Admiral running around and gives watches to soldiers. It just not works the way, the OP was told. Kind regards. Achim
 
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