Omega pie pan constellation 168.005

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Looking to purchase a steel vintage omega pie pan reference 168.005 watch and I was wondering if the quality of the case, dial, crystal and movement of the watch matches the price of it, which is around 1900 USD. Thanks for reading!
 
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Dial looks good. Case appears polished but need focused views like this to assess lugs

 
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Welcome @icellama.
I was about to say the same.
Nice dial with onyx inserts (although Hoi would say he prefers a dial with a marker at ‘3’.
It’s an early 168.005 but I think the case looks heavily polished - the medallion aggressively so by the looks of things, and I can’t see any facets on the lugs.

Movt looks clean but would want a pic of the inner case back to look for evidence of rotor rub.
 
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Dial looks good. Case appears polished but need focused views like this to assess lugs

Thanks for the reply! From what you can see, would you think the case is over polished?
 
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Welcome @icellama.
I was about to say the same.
Nice dial with onyx inserts (although Hoi would say he prefers a dial with a marker at ‘3’.
It’s an early 168.005 but I think the case looks heavily polished - the medallion aggressively so by the looks of things, and I can’t see any facets on the lugs.

Movt looks clean but would want a pic of the inner case back to look for evidence of rotor rub.
Thanks for the reply! I’ll try to get a close up of the lugs but here is the picture of the case back. Also how can you tell it’s an early 168.005?
 
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Thanks for the reply! From what you can see, would you think the case is over polished?
Photos are not focused and need more views as above. Appears polished. Look at lugs, and details of back medallion it should not be shiny and unpolished surface should be grainy.
 
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Thanks for the reply! I’ll try to get a close up of the lugs but here is the picture of the case back. Also how can you tell it’s an early 168.005?
no obvious signs of rotor rub there - which is good.

The 19,85xx serial number places it around 1963 - which is (roughly) when Omega changed the 14902 designation to 168.005.
 
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Serial number dates watch to 1962 which is first year of the reference

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-ca/watch-omega-constellation-calendar-st-168-0005
I've always been of the (personal) opinion that the Omega official release dates are something like a year earlier than the actual 'release-into-the-wild' dates.
I don't recall ever seeing a retail receipt for a 1962 168.005/167.005 dogleg or 168.004 hidden crown reference.
(and I'm sure that if they exist, someone on OF will have one).
 
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I've always been of the (personal) opinion that the Omega official release dates are something like a year earlier than the actual 'release-into-the-wild' dates.
I don't recall ever seeing a retail receipt for a 1962 168.005/167.005 dogleg or 168.004 hidden crown reference.
(and I'm sure that if they exist, someone on OF will have one).
The SN tables are also a bit fuzzy and more of estimate than dogma (for the dogleg 🤣)and the SN on OP watch is 19.850.xxx so this could well be 1963 as you say.
 
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Unfortunately, the OP's dial falls into the categories of a nice redial
1. AUTOMATIC is too large compare to the other lines.
2. Minute markers are too far away from pie pan edges.

The first pic is the OP' dial

The second is from my thead Some nice redials.

And the last belongs to SOG53 which is all good 👍.

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Thanks for the reply! From what you can see, would you think the case is over polished?
Yes!

Thats way too muck money for that watch in that condition, you can do better!!!
 
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Yes definitely overpolished. And the lugs are the defining aspect of this model... I'd pass.
 
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Unfortunately, the OP's dial falls into the categories of a nice redial
1. AUTOMATIC is too large compare to the other lines.
2. Minute markers are too far away from pie pan edges.

The first pic is the OP' dial

The second is from my thead Some nice redials.

And the last belongs to SOG53 which is all good 👍.

 
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Unfortunately, the OP's dial falls into the categories of a nice redial
1. AUTOMATIC is too large compare to the other lines.
2. Minute markers are too far away from pie pan edges.

The first pic is the OP' dial

The second is from my thead Some nice redials.

And the last belongs to SOG53 which is all good 👍.

Thanks for the comprehensive explanation! Would you say the key to spotting a redial would be the size of the lettering and also the horizontal spacing of each line?
 
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Yes!

Thats way too muck money for that watch in that condition, you can do better!!!
Thanks for the reply! Is there a way to tell if a case is over polished besides it being too smooth/shiny?
 
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Yes definitely overpolished. And the lugs are the defining aspect of this model... I'd pass.
Yes… the lugs do look blunt instead of angular. Shame because the seller is willing to go sell at a lower price.
 
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Yes… the lugs do look blunt instead of angular. Shame because the seller is willing to go sell at a lower price.
If the lugs are as polished as they look and with a redial (@hoipolloi 👍) this is a $500 watch - exactly how low is the seller willing to go to offload this sub-par example?

Of course the watch is worth more to anyone who just wants a vintage Omega watch and doesn’t know any better - and that is what the seller is depending on - so it depends on what you want.
 
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If the lugs are as polished as they look and with a redial (@hoipolloi 👍) this is a $500 watch - exactly how low is the seller willing to go to offload this sub-par example?

Of course the watch is worth more to anyone who just wants a vintage Omega watch and doesn’t know any better - and that is what the seller is depending on - so it depends on what you want.
Thanks for the fair warning, really appreciate it as I came to this forum because I was somewhat suspicious of the quality. I do want something quality as I’m celebrating a milestone in life, so I’ll put this off. I’m guessing he’s definitely not going below $1500.