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  1. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Mar 10, 2019

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    Hi all,

    I happened across a 2996 Seamaster marked with PAF markings. In talking with the seller, I have come to learn that PAF received both railmaster 2914 as well as some 2996. I have further learned that these 2996 were often issued to ground crew, not to pilots. One other interesting bit of info is that the Omega archives can confirm the movement was indeed delivered to PAF, but can't confirm the case reference. While Omega museum does confirm that PAF received both case references, but their records don't appear to indicate whether a particular movement was in a 2914 or a 2996.

    I would very much like to hear opinions on this watch as well as the points above. I am considering a buy, but there's not much market data on these in particular, so I would also welcome thoughts on value - even if by PM if you don't want to share publicly.

    I will add that the markings on the movement and case back match, but have been blanked out at the request of the seller - though the seller is fully aware that I'm posting them here for opinion.

    thank you!

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  2. fskywalker Mar 10, 2019

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    Can't really comment about the PAF as don't know too much about them; nice watch!
     
  3. Dash1 Mar 11, 2019

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    Kinda looks like it hasn’t been messed with too much, although I have no specialist knowledge on these.
    Is the lume originally recessed on these (like the 2914) or applied on top of the dial?
     
  4. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Mar 11, 2019

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    I know this doesn't help you much, but ...

    ...this statement jogged my memory to something that Petros said during his presentation at Omega in Jan ('new' cal321 unveiling), and that is that : they still have a ton of paperwork (like a warehouse full) that nobody has managed to go through yet, and that, even digitizing, with current limitations (as you just get images, and not binary searchable text) it still will take many man years to process. I can't help to wonder if maybe such documentation still exists, but needs to be found. More salt and pepper to the stew I am afraid.

    But back to this watch : I'm with Ash ... only question that pops to mind : what are the 'outlines' on the dial around some of the markers? Lume flaking off?
     
  5. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Mar 11, 2019

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    I would guess that the "outlines" are radium burn?... the movement number would put it in radium territory.
     
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  6. Vintagewtchzilla Mar 11, 2019

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    it look dead right to me .... the "outlines" are most probably dial corrosion as seen very often on 29xx dials, same period ,same color, same problem
     
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  7. wouter van wijk Mar 11, 2019

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  8. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Mar 11, 2019

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    does anyone know anymore detail about the background on these? i.e. the fact that the museum can't confirm the case? I'd think it would be odd for someone to take a more expensive 2914 movement and stuff it into a less expensive 2996 case.
     
  9. ucsbgsmith Mar 11, 2019

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    Hello there,
    I had a similar 2996 with a Seamaster 30 dial and caseback markings PNS. I even started a thread about it on this site hoping to find out a few things. Well, no real answers came and I put it up for sale on eBay. Wouldn’t you know within 10 minutes of its posting it was sold to a Mr Alain Monrachon, curator of the Omega Museum.
    Imagine my embarrassment. Anyway, it had the same hands, case and 284 movement.
     
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