Omega Constellation Pie Pan

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Karnpolarbear

·Aug 26, 2021

Hi All,

Joined earlier today. I am considering this Omega Constellation Pie pan cal 564 reference 168.005.

I would like the experts on this group to help confirm the authenticity of this beautiful piece.

Thanks

karn

 

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Passover

·Aug 26, 2021

Hi Karn and welcome on board!

Would you mind letting us know the asking price?

Crown is not correct and the lugs don't look straight.

Polished for shure but could be acceptable if the price is OK

Have fun here!

 

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Karnpolarbear

·Aug 26, 2021

Passover

Hi Karn and welcome on board!

Would you mind letting us know the asking price?

Crown is not correct and the lugs don't look straight.

Polished for shure but could be acceptable if the price is OK

Have fun here!

Hi

Thank you for your reply!

This is watch in Thailand, Asking price is 45,000 baht (1,300 USD)

I did cross check on the crown online and never found one with the above crown but the seller confirm it’s the original crown.

May I know where the lug is not straight please

thanks

karn

 

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Vintage8509

·Aug 26, 2021

The case has seen polishing , the “dog legs” are not so sharp anymore, don’t know about the crown but most times see those with the octo-crown. But if the dial is untouched (don’t have the resolution on my phone) it’s very nice and would make the watch interesting in my opinion.

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gatorcpa

·Aug 26, 2021·ΩF InvestiGator

Higher resolution pictures are needed. The dial seems to be a bit bright for my taste, although it could be perfectly fine.

Crown looks to be modern replacement. Movement and case looks to have been harshly treated in the past.

I would say price is on high side, but if you can negotiate it down a few hundred dollars, you can put the extra funds into making it right.
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Peemacgee

·Aug 26, 2021·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

Welcome @Karnpolarbear

All good advice above.
Looks like a late dogleg with painted indices dial (as opposed to onyx inserts)
The crown is definitely not the original and not even the correct replacement crown.
The case is heavily polished - the back appears to have been turned and then polished.

There is definitely something going on with the lugs as an 18mm strap doesn’t fill the gap between them.

It will likely cost you more but I would be looking for a better example if I were you.

 

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Sharp

·Aug 26, 2021

I suspect if you get a clearer picture of that dial it will look very average - it shows some signs of damage.

Don't even get me started on that case condition - someone polished the life out of it

 

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Karnpolarbear

·Aug 26, 2021

DrSpock

The case have seen polishing , the “dog legs” are not so sharp anymore, don’t know about the crown but most times see those with the octo-crown. But if the dial is untouched (don’t have the resolution on my phone) it’s very nice and would make the watch interesting in my opinion.

Thanks for your reply,

DrSpock

The case has seen polishing , the “dog legs” are not so sharp anymore, don’t know about the crown but most times see those with the octo-crown. But if the dial is untouched (don’t have the resolution on my phone) it’s very nice and would make the watch interesting in my opinion.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

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Karnpolarbear

·Aug 26, 2021

Sharp

I suspect if you get a clearer picture of that dial it will look very average - it shows some signs of damage.

Don't even get me started on that case condition - someone polished the life out of it

Maybe this photo will help with the dial

 

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MtV

·Aug 26, 2021

Some spots on the dial, might just be residue that can be removed but I wouldnt bet on that. @Passover has a very sharp eye, apparently: The lugs are indeed bent, maybe someone did that to accomodate a 19mm bracelet.

 

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SeaMSTR

·Aug 26, 2021

K Karnpolarbear

Maybe this photo will help with the dial

From having a quick look, the hour markers don’t line up with the minute marks. I would certainly be looking at that dial in more detail.

Have you applied the MOY test to the dial?

 

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SeaMSTR

·Aug 26, 2021

https://omega-constellation-collect...ts-all-about-moy-except-when-it-isnt.html?m=1


^have a read of this.

 

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padders

·Aug 26, 2021·Oooo subtitles!

I too don't like the way the minute markers line up. it might just be parallax or it might be a sign of a good but not perfect redial. Since it seems to be that way in all the photos I vote redial.

 

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Karnpolarbear

·Aug 26, 2021

How much does this watch lose in value being a redial?

 

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padders

·Aug 27, 2021·Oooo subtitles!

K Karnpolarbear

How much does this watch lose in value being a redial?

Well it’s tricky to quantify in monetary terms since there is still a strong market for a shiny clean watch on eBay no matter how messed about. 25% maybe, but it’s loss in value to a hardcore collector who knows what they are looking at is maybe more like 50% since originality is king. Many would consider a redialled watch as a parts donor candidate (particularly one with corresponding case issues).

 

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ConElPueblo

·Aug 27, 2021

I don't see anything off about the dial personally. Some spotting, but (seemingly) no bubbling or anything too serious. The case is very poor.

 

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padders

·Aug 27, 2021·Oooo subtitles!

ConElPueblo

I don't see anything off about the dial personally. Some spotting, but (seemingly) no bubbling or anything too serious. The case is very poor.

Do you reckon what I am seeing is just down to parallax? Maybe that is indeed the case. I've never seen a genuine one of these where the marks don't hit the applied indices perfectly but I should perhaps have stressed above that if the markers do line up when viewed by eye, I would have no other reason to doubt it.

 

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Peemacgee

·Aug 27, 2021·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

padders

I too don't like the way the minute markers line up. it might just be parallax or it might be a sign of a good but not perfect redial. Since it seems to be that way in all the photos I vote redial.

ConElPueblo

I don't see anything off about the dial personally. Some spotting, but (seemingly) no bubbling or anything too serious. The case is very poor.

If it is redial, its a very good one as the font looks good - I don't think it is parallax, there is definitely something off about the minute markers, most notably illustrated at the hour indices, where none of them line up.
It's as though they have all been turned slightly clockwise.
Poor QC towards the end of the 60s / early 70s?

However, the case on this watch with the polished and turned case and bent lugs is, quite frankly, knackered - so the dial doesn't really matter to a collector (or anyone one who wants a decent pie-pan dogleg)

 

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ConElPueblo

·Aug 27, 2021

Well, I see some misalignment on a lot of Constellations, but I have never really noticed it on a watch I've held in my hands. It may be some distortion combined with just ever so slightly offset applied markers. Poor QC as @Peemacgee suggests is a possibility, but I would like to see this in person.

I guess my main point is that had it been a redial, the minute markers wouldn't be where it showed.

 

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Caliber561

·Aug 27, 2021

I also don't think it's a redial. The serifs are right on, imo.