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Hi guys,

I am quite new to watch collection and very much a vintage watch noob. I've been looking St Omega pie pan constellations and have sourced one that to my untrained eye looks to be a good one. To me, it is an original dial, recently serviced, original crown, 561 movement, etc.

Please could the learned folk on this forum cast their opinions on this?

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Peemacgee
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Welcome @vtgconst

A good enough looking watch.
The lugs have lost a little definition but the bezel is pretty good.
Nice medallion.
Some bubbling on the outer facets of the dial but not too bad (in that picture - but may be over exposed)
Signs of rotor rub in the case back - no big deal.

Probably dates to around 1962.

Value depends on price - what is the asking?

Edit
Just noticed the ‘recently serviced’ comment.
The rotor rub may have been fixed - which may account for the colour variation on the rotor.
 
hugh162
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The star underneath “Constellation” looks weird in the photos - maybe damage or just distortion? I would get more photos to confirm before buying
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
Probably dates to around 1962.
I think this one is 1961 based on the 14393 / 61 reference number
 
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hugh162 hugh162
I think this one is 1961 based on the 14393 / 61 reference number
That is the year this iteration of the reference was released not necessarily the year of manufacture.

An 18,8m serial places the movt towards the end of ‘61, so my guess is that the watch was likely manufactured in 62.
 
amuscare87
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Seems to be in decent shape from first glance. The observatory medallion is in nice shape. Looks like the rotor may have been replaced as it doesn’t match the color of the rest of the movement? I think it comes down to price. What’s the asking?
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
That is the year this iteration of the reference was released not necessarily the year of manufacture.

An 18,8m serial places the movt towards the end of ‘61, so my guess is that the watch was likely manufactured in 62.
I see, good to know thank you!
 
vtgconst
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Thank you all, appreciate the comments! £1500 asking price, does that seem reasonable for this reference?

Added a couple of motor photos of the dial, some small rain drops in the other photo, the star is umblemished though the MADE is a little faded

Regarding the rotor, it does appear to be quite different than rest of the movement.

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amuscare87 amuscare87
Seems to be in decent shape from first glance. The observatory medallion is in nice shape. Looks like the rotor may have been replaced as it doesn’t match the color of the rest of the movement? I think it comes down to price. What’s the asking?
£1500. Does that seem reasonable? And if the rotor has been changed, what would you ascribe to the valuation then?
 
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vtgconst vtgconst
£1500. Does that seem reasonable? And if the rotor has been changed, what would you ascribe to the valuation then?
I think it’s reasonable enough with how the price of constellations have risen. As far as the rotor being changed, I don’t believe there will be any issues with functionality, but would not be considered an original movement IMO
 
Peemacgee
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Whilst originality in all things is preferable, only the pickiest of collectors will balk at a replaced rotor.
As such, it really doesn’t affect the value of the watch in any significant way.
 
vtgconst
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Thank you all here for your assistance! It was very helpful. Unfortunately, I've been given the run around by the shop.

They were holding this piece for 24 hours for £1,500, original price £1,750. As users here had raised it, I emailed yesterday to ask if the rotor had been replaced and if the rotor rub issue had been resolved by service. I even called the dealer today but he was not available and still did not respond to my email.

Then immediately after this 24 hour window shut, he finally emailed to say that the price is no longer valid and gave two non-answers to the questions. But he did said I'm welcome to purchase at £1,750.

The kicker being he ended his email "No hard feelings - vintage buying isn’t for everyone, and it’s important you’re comfortable with any purchase.".

Glad I've dodged that bullet not dealing with someone in bad faith, it's clear he never wanted to honour the price. Anyway, plenty more Connies in the sea 🐟
 
amuscare87
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vtgconst vtgconst
Thank you all here for your assistance! It was very helpful. Unfortunately, I've been given the run around by the shop.

They were holding this piece for 24 hours for £1,500, original price £1,750. As users here had raised it, I emailed yesterday to ask if the rotor had been replaced and if the rotor rub issue had been resolved by service. I even called the dealer today but he was not available and still did not respond to my email.

Then immediately after this 24 hour window shut, he finally emailed to say that the price is no longer valid and gave two non-answers to the questions. But he did said I'm welcome to purchase at £1,750.

The kicker being he ended his email "No hard feelings - vintage buying isn’t for everyone, and it’s important you’re comfortable with any purchase.".

Glad I've dodged that bullet not dealing with someone in bad faith, it's clear he never wanted to honour the price. Anyway, plenty more Connies in the sea 🐟
Seems like you dodged a bullet!
 
Dan S
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The watch looks fine to me, but I'd have a hard time paying $2k USD. Of course, Constellation prices seem to be on a tear recently.
 
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This watch does not look ok to me. It is a "rare" 14393 pie pan dial without a cross hair.
The pie pan edges are not well defined and the minute markers are too far away from them.
 
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