Omega Constellation 168.004 Identification Questions

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Hello everyone, I am a beginner with vintage Omega watches. I recently found an Omega Constellation Pie Pan and would like to ask for your opinions on it. I plan to buy it for personal wear, so I am not concerned about whether it will appreciate in value.

1.Regarding the dial, there does not appear to be any obvious sign of a redial. Although the pie-pan lines are not very clear, they can still be seen from certain angles. In fact, the characteristic pie-pan dial lines are quite obvious in some of the photos. I am not sure whether this is due to the lighting or the shooting angle.
2.There appear to be two fine cracks on the left side of the case.
3.The SWISS MADE text at the bottom of the dial has a T on each side, which should indicate that the hands originally had luminous material. In the photos, I can also see two black grooves on the hands, which I believe were meant to hold the lume.
4.The hands do not appear to extend too far beyond the dial.
5.The movement photos of this piece were rather dark, so I tried adjusting the shadows and brightness. It looks like it should be a Cal. 561 movement, and I can also see the chronometer certification and "adjusted to 5 positions" engravings on it. I have attached both the original and adjusted photos for your reference. There are some scratches on the movement, but overall it still looks quite good.
6.The case back is engraved with 168.004.
7.The Ω logo on the crown is visible, and the crown does not seem to protrude fully outward like some other versions. Instead, it looks more recessed into the case.
8.The bracelet also has the Ω logo, although I am not very familiar with this part.

Overall, it's not great, but it's still acceptable.
What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks.

 
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welcome @Tsuyoshi-Kai

The watch looks to be all correct.
The level of tolerance for patina is a personal choice.
The original crown is a bonus.
Some folks like the added 'MEISTER' logo, some don't (don't let anyone tell you that it adds value - it doesn't)

A couple of things to consider:

there were .004s that were painted to look like pie pans but were in fact just a tromp-l'oeil effect on a dome dial.
To complicate things further, there were very soft edged .004 pie pans which look just like the painted pie pans but were real pie pans.
(there is a thread about these two dials)
It is difficult to tell into which category this watch fits.

The lume is present at the ends of the indices and the hands may have darkened lume or have been replaced with hands with black painted inserts (the inserts do look quite slim for lume but it doesn't make much sense to replace the hands)

The cracked bezel (in two places) is a problem.
Replacement bezels are impossible to find and the only solution would be to have it repaired or a new one made to fit.

The movt looks ok but likely needs a service (the regulator is pushed hard over and there is some evidence of rotor rub)

The BOR looks fine but this style is usually seen on lyre-lug models and doesn't sit as well as the later, 'squarer' 7-row BOR

It all comes down to cost, taste and your capacity to sorting out the bezel (I wouldn't wear it with the bezel as is as you would soon lose it)

If it is very cheap, you like the patina and you fancy a project sorting the bezel then it might be worth considering.

Hope that helps.
 
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Thank you for your valuable insights, Peemacgee.

The issue with the pie-pan dial is something I have been considering a lot too. From the third photo, you can clearly observe a downward curvature on the lower half of the dial. I am just not sure why the front-facing and other angle shots make it look as if the top half lacks the 12-sided shape.

Additionally, when you said the bezel could be lost, did you mean it comes off easily? (Because the two cracks compromise its secure fit?)

The price of this watch is approximately $1,021.

Thank you again for your time and response.
 
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The bezel being badly cracked in two places would make this watch a no-go for me.

The cost to restore the bezel, plus the original buy price, would cost significantly more than the watch would be worth when done.
 
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Thank you for your valuable insights, Peemacgee.

The issue with the pie-pan dial is something I have been considering a lot too. From the third photo, you can clearly observe a downward curvature on the lower half of the dial. I am just not sure why the front-facing and other angle shots make it look as if the top half lacks the 12-sided shape.

Additionally, when you said the bezel could be lost, did you mean it comes off easily? (Because the two cracks compromise its secure fit?)

The price of this watch is approximately $1,021.

Thank you again for your time and response.
The look-alike pie pans are dome dials - so the dial will turn down at the edge.
It’s whether or not there is an angle (or crease) at the painted edge rather than the continuous curve of a dome dial.

Yes, I did mean the bezel could come adrift when you were wearing the watch.

The bezel would be a deal breaker for me too - too much effort to get it sorted .
The case is ok but not great, the dial is heavily patinated and whilst the BOR is a bonus value-wise, I personally wouldn’t spend $1000 on the watch (unless they were AUS$)
 
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Thanks again everyone for the valuable advice.
It seems I still need to spend a bit more time researching.
 
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If you like the style of the 168.004 (as opposed to just wanting a Constellation with a pie pan dial) they did do 'classic' pie pans for this reference.

This one is one of the last .004s, so slightly unusual as it has a cal 564 and a brickwork observatory, but has the sharp classic pie pan dial I was referring to.