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  1. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Hello, I have 3 watches that I intended to buy and I would like to seek your assessment on the authenticity and mainly on whether the crystal, hands, dial, bezel, case, crown and movement are in original condition. Your input is much appreciated.

    Note all 3 watches' case width without the crown are approximately 38mm.

    Watch #1:
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  2. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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  4. KingCrouchy Aug 23, 2019

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    Hello and welcome here.
    No 2 and 3 are horrible redials and not worth buying.
    The first one had probably water entering, if you look at the right side of the dial and the discoloration of the movement. Crown is a generic replacement.
     
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  5. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Thank you for your welcome note and information. It is not surprising that water entered from the stem. Am I right to say that as long as the movement is working, regular servicing should be fine this Watch #1?
     
  6. Pass the Thyme Aug 23, 2019

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    Welcome K K,
    My advice would be that you could invest your money in a more original and better conditioned watch than the examples portrayed.
    May I ask you how you managed to start a thread? I was unable to do so.
    Thank you and best of luck in your search.
     
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  7. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Hello, so you do not suggest me to buy any on the 3 watches? Or I can buy watch #1? Watch #1 is about USD400.

    And I had sent you a message separately on how to post new thread.
     
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  8. Zdzislaw Aug 23, 2019

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    Welcome KK! I had similar doubts very recently and wanted to acquire cal 2xx Omega watch :) The main problem that I had was that there are not a lot of resources that I could find on-line regarding those calibers :) BTW Exactly the reason, why I decided to create account in this forum.

    This is my original thread and I think it will be useful for you to have a look: https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-seamaster-cal-267.100438/ some great advice from forum members in there.

    Answering your question - I wouldn't be buying any cal 2xx any time soon, simply because I am not knowledgeable enough to say is it fake, franken or both.

    That being said as from yesterday I am very proud owner of cal 751 Constellation from 1968 ;)
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  9. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Thank you for your sharing and that is a pretty awesome timepiece you got there. I do love Constellation. But for my build, I cannot take small watches thus I had been hunting around for big antique vintage Omega watch. Seriously, I do not have the knowledge on watch identification nor verification. However, I can easily have access to Omega Service Centre to carry out authenticauthe at a reasonable fee. But again, the outcome maybe too late.
     
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  10. Zdzislaw Aug 23, 2019

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    What about this one? https://omegaforums.net/threads/seamaster-chronometer-cal-564.332/#post-1311579
     
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  11. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 23, 2019

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    My recommendation to you would be to buy nothing until you are able to get a feel for what a vintage watch should look like and how to spot signs of prior bad watchmaking or poor maintenance. I would say sit at the computer, look at pictures of the watch styles that interest you and ask questions for at least 3 months before making any purchases.

    You seem to be falling prey to a common fault of new collectors -- over-eagerness. You want a good buy, you think you see something "special" because it is different in some way to other similar vintage watches you've found online. The seller tells you how "rare" or "unique" it is, which doesn't help.

    These watches were mass produced in great quantities when they were new. In the 1940's and '50's, Omega sold hundreds of thousands of watches per year of many different types. There is no such thing as unique or rare with vintage Omega. What you are looking for is something that is original and not worn-out. That's what is really hard to find in today's market.

    With respect to the above three watches, the first one looks original, but is very worn and suffered from water intrusion at one time. Unfortunately, there is no way to know how extensive is the damage without an inspection from a qualified watchmaker.

    The other two are badly redialled and are parts watches to most collectors. The case on the last one is fake.
    gatorcpa
     
  12. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Thank you for your sharing and indeed you are right on my current stage of purchase. And it is very rare to have a reasonable good vintage watch and let alone discovering one. I am just browsing and selecting based on aesthetic rather than taking a deeper look because as you rightfully point out, I don't know how to assess. And back to my initial thread, Watch #1 seems to be in original condition but with wear and water intrusion. If it does runs well, is it worth buying? Thank you for your time and effort and have a great weekend.
     
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  14. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 23, 2019

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    1. Only if very cheap, because you will need to invest at least $200 in a service.
    2. Only if you really like it, because after the purchase and service, you will likely have the full retail value invested.

    All comes down to price and desire.
    gatorcpa
     
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  15. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Got it. I have a certain price in mind now after all the generous sharing to allow me to learn to make a sound decision. Deeply appreciated.
     
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  16. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    May I humbly ask what is very cheap (in USD) from your perspective?
     
  17. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 23, 2019

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    I’d say under $300, and that’s because the larger cases (Ref. 2505) usually sell for a bit more than other models.

    I’m presuming the watch is in running condition. If it is broken, I would cut the above in half or more. You won’t know why it isn’t running until the watchmaker sees it, so you have no clue what it will cost to fix.
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  18. jeppehh Aug 23, 2019

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    I’m not sure the -21 came with numbers at 2,4,6,8,10,12.

    Might be wrong though.
     
  19. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Ok. So it will be USD300 for the watch and USD200 for servicing. Great, I will take your figures as a benchmark. Thanks a lot.
     
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  20. K K BULLET TAN Aug 23, 2019

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    Hello, I don't quite get you? Can you help me to understand your concern better. Thanks.