Omega 3861 movement

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Hi all, it is my pleasure to join this Omega community.
I recently purchased my white dial Moonwatch 3 months ago. It is really a gorgeous watch!
I will fully wind the watch at the same time before bed. and in the first 2 months, the watching is runnung consistently +2 /3 seconds per day, which is within the METAS criteria (0/+5 seconds per day).
However, during these 3 weeks, I found that the watch is running -1 to -3 seconds per day. I did not drop or hit the watch, the watch hasn't got any damage.
May I know if it is normal for the watch for running slow, or running outside the range of METAS criteria?
Appreciate for all of your helps and comments!
 
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I will fully wind the watch
When you say this, do you mean you wind until you feel resistance or until you feel a hard stop and can’t wind any further?
 
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When you say this, do you mean you wind until you feel resistance or until you feel a hard stop and can’t wind any further?
thanks for your comment, I will always wind it until a hard stop and can't go further
 
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Try laying it away 24 hours in each position and wind it full everyday check the deviation, after 6 days take the average to see what is the result.
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Try laying it away 24 hours in each position and wind it full everyday check the deviation, after 6 days take the average to see what is the result.
thank so much for your suggestion, I will try it and check the result💪
 
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I wear my watch every day. The only time I take it off is when I'm in the shower, or washing the car... I wind it every day until it hits the 'stop'. It takes approx 35 - 45 turns of the crown. I measure accuracy against the atomic clock, rudimentary and basic I know, but my 3861 movement averages a + 2.2 second gain per day. It has never 'lost' time.

Hopefully this of some use.

Best regards to All.
 
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I don't really pay attention to the +/- accuracy too much, but it's interesting that I have three and they run for a different amount of hours on a full wind. And the seconds disagree with each other after about a day if I set them to the NIST clock at the same time.
 
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I wear my watch every day. The only time I take it off is when I'm in the shower, or washing the car... I wind it every day until it hits the 'stop'. It takes approx 35 - 45 turns of the crown. I measure accuracy against the atomic clock, rudimentary and basic I know, but my 3861 movement averages a + 2.2 second gain per day. It has never 'lost' time.

Hopefully this of some use.

Best regards to All.
Thank you for the reply! Having an average of +2.2s gain per day is very accurate for a watch!
I am tracking the movement for my speedy for a week. I would say I prefer it is gaining time per day, rather than losing time.
 
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It's very likely it has something to do with the positions the watch is averaging throughout the day, perhaps some change in your routine or activities that impacts wrist position could be causing this.

The METAS rating is an average of positions, so doing what @YY77 recommended is really smart because you'll know what position you can rest it in at night that will cause it to run faster or slower. You can also use a timegrapher or Timer app to get a fair idea of each position.

The accuracy that you have is good enough that it will probably work out on its own the following weeks and months based upon what activities you are engaged in. Over the last... heck, I think I might have actually adjusted the time on my Seamaster back in June? When I compared it to my cell phone clock just now it is just under one half of a second slow, I know that in August it was probably three and a half seconds slow and a couple of weeks ago it was a second fast. I honestly don't worry about it much, because I know that it is typically within a couple of seconds of zero.


I'd say worry about it less- but you know I actually wouldn't, especially if it's your first mechanical watch. Get a feel for its accuracy and what positions it likes.
 
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It's very likely it has something to do with the positions the watch is averaging throughout the day, perhaps some change in your routine or activities that impacts wrist position could be causing this.

The METAS rating is an average of positions, so doing what @YY77 recommended is really smart because you'll know what position you can rest it in at night that will cause it to run faster or slower. You can also use a timegrapher or Timer app to get a fair idea of each position.

The accuracy that you have is good enough that it will probably work out on its own the following weeks and months based upon what activities you are engaged in. Over the last... heck, I think I might have actually adjusted the time on my Seamaster back in June? When I compared it to my cell phone clock just now it is just under one half of a second slow, I know that in August it was probably three and a half seconds slow and a couple of weeks ago it was a second fast. I honestly don't worry about it much, because I know that it is typically within a couple of seconds of zero.


I'd say worry about it less- but you know I actually wouldn't, especially if it's your first mechanical watch. Get a feel for its accuracy and what positions it likes.
Thank you so much! you really solve my questions and problems! Really appreciate it.

have a nice day.💪
 
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Thank you for the reply! Having an average of +2.2s gain per day is very accurate for a watch!
I am tracking the movement for my speedy for a week. I would say I prefer it is gaining time per day, rather than losing time.
Yes, 2.2 sec. gain is great. This was only calculated as an average over a week by eye and the atomic clock... Very happy with that. Never tested the power reserve - I've just got into a habit of winding it every morning whilst having a coffee.

Best to All.
 
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It's very likely it has something to do with the positions the watch is averaging throughout the day, perhaps some change in your routine or activities that impacts wrist position could be causing this.

The METAS rating is an average of positions, so doing what @YY77 recommended is really smart because you'll know what position you can rest it in at night that will cause it to run faster or slower. You can also use a timegrapher or Timer app to get a fair idea of each position.

The accuracy that you have is good enough that it will probably work out on its own the following weeks and months based upon what activities you are engaged in. Over the last... heck, I think I might have actually adjusted the time on my Seamaster back in June? When I compared it to my cell phone clock just now it is just under one half of a second slow, I know that in August it was probably three and a half seconds slow and a couple of weeks ago it was a second fast. I honestly don't worry about it much, because I know that it is typically within a couple of seconds of zero.


I'd say worry about it less- but you know I actually wouldn't, especially if it's your first mechanical watch. Get a feel for its accuracy and what positions it likes.
Interesting that you have seen gain and loss over time. I guess that's to do with the watch being in different positions? I also guess that your Seamaster does not have the 3861 movement, but assume it has the same METAS etc testing and certifications? I do not know much about the Seamaster, so you will have to excuse my ignorance!

I have never, not once, noticed a loss in time with my Speedy.

I seem to remember something of a comparison between Rolex and Omega - Rolex lose time, so you'll be late for a meeting, Omega gain time, so you will be early. I know which I would prefer!!! (this may not be true, but I thought it was funny!)

And that said - I do have a hankering for a Daytona to add to my chrono collection (albeit very small, and overpopulated with Tag Heur quartz models, bought in my younger days / daze!), but I won't bang on about that, too much of the R word might get me ostracised!

Best to All.
 
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Interesting that you have seen gain and loss over time. I guess that's to do with the watch being in different positions? I also guess that your Seamaster does not have the 3861 movement, but assume it has the same METAS etc testing and certifications? I do not know much about the Seamaster, so you will have to excuse my ignorance!

I have never, not once, noticed a loss in time with my Speedy.

I seem to remember something of a comparison between Rolex and Omega - Rolex lose time, so you'll be late for a meeting, Omega gain time, so you will be early. I know which I would prefer!!! (this may not be true, but I thought it was funny!)

And that said - I do have a hankering for a Daytona to add to my chrono collection (albeit very small, and overpopulated with Tag Heur quartz models, bought in my younger days / daze!), but I won't bang on about that, too much of the R word might get me ostracised!

Best to All.
Metas is 0 to +5, so if it's averaging 0 than some positions are losing time inevitably.
 
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I noticed that mine runs fast if I do an sort of exercise. When I say fast I mean like +7s/d on average.

I've no idea why. If I take it off to exercise, it's around +3.5s/d.
 
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I noticed that mine runs fast if I do an sort of exercise. When I say fast I mean like +7s/d on average.

I've no idea why. If I take it off to exercise, it's around +3.5s/d.
Because when you exercise, you are imparting forces on the balance wheels that are not there under normal running conditions. If the movements of your arms are in a direction that adds more rotational force to the balance wheel, it will upset the normal rhythm of the balance. Speeding up the balance will speed up the watch during the time of your exercise.