Omega 30t2-RG signed Tiffany & Co - The long awaited arrival

[OllieOnTheRocks]

So I have longed for a 30T2-RG for many years. In fact, shortly after buying my first Omega (my first vintage watch) 4 years ago there was a beautiful example on ebay that I remember thinking "one day". It sadly sold a lot quicker than my desire to spend all of my money and I guess at the time I didn't realise how rare it in fact was. It was a fantastic example with Roman numerals if I recall.

Now fast forward to a week or so ago, stuck inside during quarantine, and I find this beauty on ebay and bite the bullet. Double signed with Tiffany & Co and in remarkable condition. I believe it to be the 2364. I asked a few friends their opinion on authenticity but nothing was conclusive. I've now had the watch in my hands and I can say if it isn't authentic, it is probably the best redial I have ever seen - but for the sake of making use of this great new community I have now joined I figured it only polite to show you all and perhaps I can have a few of the expert opinions on here too!



Although the smallest watch in my collection at only 33mm, it is absolutely sublime, and probably the most elegant watch in my collection. I know the crystal is a replacement, which I probably will change at some point and perhaps in the future if I manage to find a 35mm example of equal condition I'll trade up. But for now I am very happy.



Finally for the sake of completeness does anyone know the style of buckle that would have paired with one of these and also the presentation box?

Thank you in advance for your input and I hope you have a lovely day!

Ollie

Edited: Apr 16, 2020

 

[NotAClue]

OllieOnTheRocks

if it isn't authentic, it is probably the best redial I have ever seen

I second you on that one but once again i'm just a newbie... Do you know what happened to the hour hand?

 

[NotAClue]

Anyway.. If it passes this community "exam" you got yourself a little (your words, not mine 😉) treasure. Can I ask you how much you paid for it? (don't answer if it breaks any rule of etiquette)

Beautiful watch! Congrats

 

[aprax]

This is a truly stunning dial/watch, but I am not sure whether the dial is original or not. Are there concentric circles in the sub dial? I can't judge from the photo. The sub dial hand should have a pointed edge to the counter weight, so it could be a replacement. The border line to the inner minutes track should touch the sub dial outer track, I think. The small markers at 9, 12 and 3 should not cross the inner minute border, in my opinion.
I would tend towards a redial (though a very good one), but I am really not sure, If anybody, @mac_omega should be able to tell us.

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

NotAClue

Anyway.. If it passes this community "exam" you got yourself a little (your words, not mine 😉) treasure. Can I ask you how much you paid for it? (don't answer if it breaks any rule of etiquette)

Beautiful watch! Congrats

You're welcome to check sold listings on ebay 😀

aprax

This is a truly stunning dial/watch, but I am not sure whether the dial is original or not. Are there concentric circles in the sub dial? I can't judge from the photo. The sub dial hand should have a pointed edge to the counter weight, so it could be a replacement. The border line to the inner minutes track should touch the sub dial outer track, I think. The small markers at 9, 12 and 3 should not cross the inner minute border, in my opinion.
I would tend towards a redial (though a very good one), but I am really not sure, If anybody, @mac_omega should be able to tell us.

Yes there are concentric dials in the sub dial. See closeup, and when in different lighting conditions the brightness of each section appear to flip which I find quite interesting. Yes on closer examination I agree with the second hand - perhaps someone on this forum has a correct spare? 😉



With regards to the sub dial touching the inner minutes track, I've seen several examples of this model where they do not - but that was certainly one of the things I was initially concerned about. The main thing really was your last point and that I think is where the experts must take over!

 

[mac_omega]

aprax

This is a truly stunning dial/watch, but I am not sure whether the dial is original or not. Are there concentric circles in the sub dial? I can't judge from the photo. The sub dial hand should have a pointed edge to the counter weight, so it could be a replacement. The border line to the inner minutes track should touch the sub dial outer track, I think. The small markers at 9, 12 and 3 should not cross the inner minute border, in my opinion.
I would tend towards a redial (though a very good one), but I am really not sure, If anybody, @mac_omega should be able to tell us.

You are spot on mate - it is a well done re-print

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

mac_omega

You are spot on mate - it is a well done re-print

Okay so the jury has spoken haha - could it be that this could have been reprinted by Omega themselves, possibly during a service? I mean are there actually private companies that are this good?

Finally, do you think it should still hold its value? Clearly not to the extent of an original, but as a reprinted example.

I was thinking of ordering an extract from the archives from Omega - do you think this is still worth it for a redial?

Thank you for your input - I love your website and perhaps one day I'll get your book too! 😀

 

[mac_omega]

It is a very nicely done re-dial and only few of the admirers will notice. Of course I like original dials very much but I am also open to accept a correctly executed re-print.
Omega don´t manufacture nor restore dials themselves - it is done by contractors.
You can send me the serial numbers through PM - I will look it up in my data "library" - maybe I can find a watch near your numbers to help you veryfiy if they might be correct.
best
Erich

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

mac_omega

It is a very nicely done re-dial and only few of the admirers will notice. Of course I like original dials very much but I am also open to accept a correctly executed re-print.
Omega don´t manufacture nor restore dials themselves - it is done by contractors.
You can send me the serial numbers through PM - I will look it up in my data "library" - maybe I can find a watch near your numbers to help you verify if they might be correct.
best
Erich

Thanks Erich, Just opened it up and taken photos so I'll send them across to you now 😀

Seeing as you're a treasure trove of information, I don't suppose you know what would be a time correct buckle, and box for this watch, or any of the 30T2 RGs for that matter? 😀

Ollie

Edited: Apr 16, 2020

 

[MikeMan2727]

I did not bid on this. There was no "OXG" on the movement, which I would expect on a watch delivered to the US and signed Tiffany. It looks quite nice though!

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

I ended up returning - explained to the seller it was a redial and he happily accepted it as it was within his 60 day return policy. Up for sale again now if someone wants a redial 😜

In all seriousness, it is indeed a stunning watch in person but I feel like the price I paid was a little more than I would be willing to pay for a redial (personally). Plus I've now used that towards another watch hehe.

 

[MikeMan2727]

Interesting that the seller chose not to disclose the redial in the new eBay listing.

 

[NikoMartinez_SYD]

Re dial or not, it’s an amazing piece and looks impeccable ... nice buy!

 

[NotAClue]

MikeMan2727

Interesting that the seller chose not to disclose the redial in the new eBay listing.

I actually took a couple of minutes to ask the seller directly if he knew if the watch was repainted/redialed. Here´s his answer:

"Hi!

I do not know, experts have problem to judge that. I believe it is not repainted, but i can’t guarantee."


So I guess I was a bit disappointed of knowing that (according to the seller) @mac_omega isn't a big of a specialist 🤪

 

[Tony C.]

To my mind (and eye), the easiest "tell" is the TIFFANY & CO font. Not only have I not seen another like it (though they may exist), but it is definitely not a font that would have been used ~70 years ago. Especially the odd version of "&".

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

Tony C.

To my mind (and eye), the easiest "tell" is the TIFFANY & CO font. Not only have I not seen another like it (though they may exist), but it is definitely not a font that would have been used ~70 years ago. Especially the odd version of "&".

Actually I have seen 3 of this same model with that same Tiffany font, but the difference is they all end with a period (Tiffany & Co.), this one does not. The giveaway for this one is the thickness of the minute track. There is NO other example like it, the tree example I mention above are all the same, and this is the odd one out, possibly only by a fraction of a mm. @mac_omega confirmed these findings 😀

 

[Tony C.]

OllieOnTheRocks

Actually I have seen 3 of this same model with that same Tiffany font, but the difference is they all end with a period (Tiffany & Co.), this one does not. The giveaway for this one is the thickness of the minute track. There is NO other example like it, the tree example I mention above are all the same, and this is the odd one out, possibly only by a fraction of a mm. @mac_omega confirmed these findings 😀

You have seen three from that period? Please provide images.

Found one. Seems original, but not identical to the subject dial:

https://omegaforums.net/attachments/image-jpg.100916/

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

Tony C.

You have seen three from that period? Please provide images.

Found one. Seems original, but not identical to the subject dial:

https://omegaforums.net/attachments/image-jpg.100916/

I don't have them now I'm afraid but if you google search, and have patience you'll come across them. That was one of the ones I had found, you'll see the . after the "Tiffany & Co." and how the minute track is thicker than the one on sale 😀

 

[MikeMan2727]

MikeMan2727

I did not bid on this. There was no "OXG" on the movement, which I would expect on a watch delivered to the US and signed Tiffany. It looks quite nice though!

Looks like it is back on the market after some important (sneaky) changes.

Movement is now marked OXG with extract showing US delivery.

Buyer beware.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-VINT...-/184615590900?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

 

[OllieOnTheRocks]

It is however, still with the same movement serial as when I briefly had it, so if it says delivered to USA on the extract, I believe it all to be okay with the original movement. The sellerr has just changed the regulator, to what one would expect - not original, but correct to the watch. At least he says "probably refinished" now, so I think fair game to him and whoever buys it.