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  1. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 7, 2019

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    Recently purchased a vintage Omega 2181 Jumbo with a 265 movement in 14K gold. I bought the watch through a private seller based out of NYC, with, frankly, limited information. I was told he recently had it serviced through his jewelry in NYC. Pictures below. Questions

    1. Any major red flags or indication it could be a fake?
    2. Do you think the dial is original? There's a noticeable mark near the 4.
    3. Do you think the movement is original?
    4. Is the case most likely solid gold or gold plated? It looks solid

    Any other information would be greatly appreciated!
     
    Omega 265 Movement.jpg Omega 2181 Back.jpg Omega 2181 Reference.jpg Omega 2181.jpg
  2. mac_omega

    mac_omega Jul 7, 2019

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    TBH I am a bit amazed that you buy such a watch and are not even able to spot if it is solid gold or gold plated.

    On what did you base your buying decision?

    BTW the photo of the dial is much too small to make a final assessment - try to send a large high resolution photo of the dial and we may be able to help you.
     
  3. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 7, 2019

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    Higher rez close up photo of the dial attached here. I'm fairly positive it's solid gold, but I don't know much about the history of these watches-- I don't know if they even made a plated gold version. I bought it because I thought it was beautiful and cool and I wanted a gold dress watch. Just curious if there's anything I should be concerned about post-purchase.
     
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  4. mac_omega

    mac_omega Jul 7, 2019

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    I think the watch is OK and the case is obviously made of solid gold as can be seen by the hallmarks
     
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  5. padders

    padders Jul 7, 2019

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    The case is solid 14k gold. The brass spacer ring (marked metal) is not. The serial dates to around 1948-9
     
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  6. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 7, 2019

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    Thanks- was told 1947. Any idea if the dial is original? What are key indicators of an original dial?
     
  7. padders

    padders Jul 7, 2019

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    Well there are no obvious signs of a redial, other than no Swiss Made but that isn't unheard of I guess. Not really my area these. The 1947 date could be right, but that movement can't be earlier since the 30T2 movement was only known as 26X from '47 onwards.
     
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  8. Petervl

    Petervl Jul 7, 2019

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    Dial looks to be a original one.
     
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  9. DaveK

    DaveK Jul 7, 2019

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    Intermediate knowledge chiming in here. Is the movement photo after the service? It doesn’t look like what a serviced movement would look like.
     
  10. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 7, 2019

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    Good question- the pictures of the movement were sent to me prior to the purchase but I haven’t actually popped it open myself. I’ve been meaning to bring it to a jewler to inspect but not sure the best place to do so. What are your concerns on the movement?
     
  11. Rman

    Rman Jul 7, 2019

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    I’m used to seeing chamfers on the lugs of a 2181.
    Then again I haven’t seen many in solid gold.
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  12. DaveK

    DaveK Jul 8, 2019

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    To my eye, it looks just dirtier than I’d expect in a serviced movement, and the regulator is pushed over pretty far as well. Perhaps the pros will weigh in though
     
  13. padders

    padders Jul 8, 2019

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    Was there any documentary proof of the service? If not then it likely didn’t happen, at least not within the past 5 years and in any case, there are services and services. It’s always best to assume the worst on a piece with sellers with sketchy facts and price the work in. Many of us have learned this from experience.
     
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  14. mac_omega

    mac_omega Jul 8, 2019

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    AFAIK there are differences between SS and gold cases on ref. 2181 The SS version has chamfers on the lugs while the gold version has not - this is at least what I have observed on the few pieces I have seen.
    It is not uncommon that there are differences between SS and gold cases. For examples please see ref. 2367 and ref. 2244 in my book.
     
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  15. padders

    padders Jul 8, 2019

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    Does the date of the movement raise any concerns? The OVD* date for the model is 1941, do we know if the model was produced for a few years into the 3 digit movement number era?

    *incomplete and not to be treated as gospel it is true.
     
  16. mac_omega

    mac_omega Jul 8, 2019

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    No concerns at my end. The serial numbers of case and movement are pretty close, so we may assume they were born together...
     
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  17. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 8, 2019

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    Here is the same model in 18k rose gold with a similar dial:

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  18. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 8, 2019

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    This makes me feel better about the authenticity of my dial and immeasurably worse that mine isn’t as perfect and beautiful as the 18K rose gold version
     
  19. jpk1489

    jpk1489 Jul 8, 2019

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    Where is the best place to have the movement inspected? Omega AD, watch repair shop, other?
     
  20. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 8, 2019

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    Independent watchmaker. If you disclose your area you will probably get suggestions here. Even if there is nobody local you can always send it out to be properly serviced.