Omega 165.002 oddities and authenticity

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Good morning everyone,

I wanted to solicit some opinions about a seamaster that finally came off my bench and onto my wrist.

It was acquired as part of a lot by me about 4 years ago on eBay, non running with a broken balance staff and damaged impulse jewels. It was also missing hands, with a heavily damaged cannon pinion. I’ve finally gotten around to repairing and servicing the cal 550 movement, and while it runs like a top, there are many things on the dial and case side that stick out to me. I will note that the hands are aftermarket reproductions installed by me, and are just placeholders until a good set of vintage hands comes up on eBay.

I’m guessing that it’s a frankenwatch, put together from a non matching case and dial, as it’s clear the dial does not fit the case correctly. The indexes are right up to the inner edge of the case, to the point where “Swiss made” is half obscured. Additionally, some of the printing on the dial looks sloppy under a microscope. Is it possible I’m dealing with a fake ribbon dial?

Regardless, I bought it for about $175 and with parts and my hobbyist labor, I’m not into it for more than $250, so I’m happy. Just curious about opinions. The case back lists the reference as 165.002.
 
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For comparison 14761 cal 552 ribbon dial. 1961. Radium lume. Coat hanger S.
Your dial has later Curvy S.
if you have UV light see if it instantly vanishes like radium the indices look like radium.
 
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For comparison 14761 cal 552 ribbon dial. 1961. Radium lume. Coat hanger S.
Your dial has later Curvy S.
if you have UV light see if it instantly vanishes like radium the indices look like radium.
Good looking watch you’ve got there. This one definitely has the font, but upon looking at yours, the placement and line thickness looks good. The indices are definitely radium.

Your dial looks much more appropriate to the case size, so I’d guess that someone just put mine in the wrong case.
 
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The dial has been repainted and the caseback is incorrect as the mid case is an early-mid 60’s seamaster (I don’t know the reference off the top of my head), while the case back is a mid-late 60’s 165.002 which isn’t correct for the case.
 
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The dial has been repainted and the caseback is incorrect as the mid case is an early-mid 60’s seamaster (I don’t know the reference off the top of my head), while the case back is a mid-late 60’s 165.002 which isn’t correct for the case.
Thanks for the info, that’s about what I expected. What are the signs about the dial being repainted?

It doesn’t surprise me that the case and caseback are mismatched
 
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The font is too thick and clumsy, not precise enough to be factory original. The minute markers are also too thick and large are aren’t accurately spaced around the hour markers
 
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This could be your mid case- 14700 from 1961-62 - yours maybe polished version of this
14700 has cal 550 so maybe yours is that with swapped caseback and dial.

 
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The font is too thick and clumsy, not precise enough to be factory original. The minute markers are also too thick and large are aren’t accurately spaced around the hour markers
Thank you, this is great information to have. It'll be a good everyday watch until an original non runner ribbon dial comes across ebay. I may try to be on the lookout for an appropriate case for the dial though. Do you generally see a lot of these refinished ribbon/special dial variations? I'm quite new to the omega authenticity scene. I appreciate your help and knowledge.
 
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This could be your mid case- 14700 from 1961-62 - yours maybe polished version of this
14700 has cal 550 so maybe yours is that with swapped caseback and dial.

That looks about right, though my case appears so heavily polished that it has lost the sharp contours on the lugs.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. At this point I'd almost rather find a 14761 case and drop this into it while I look out for a 552, though the difference is negligible.
 
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If the watch runs I would just wear and enjoy and not put more money into it. No matter what you do it won’t be restored to original, and predicting which dial might fit which case is hit or miss.
So were it mine I would wear it with pride that I got it running, and save money for an original like the ones I posted which you will find for around $400-500 if you take your time stick around and research watch you like.
Welcome to OF!
 
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If the watch runs I would just wear and enjoy and not put more money into it. No matter what you do it won’t be restored to original, and predicting which dial might fit which case is hit or miss.
So were it mine I would wear it with pride that I got it running, and save money for an original like the ones I posted which you will find for around $400-500 if you take your time stick around and research watch you like.
Welcome to OF!
Thank you, it'll definitely stick around in the collection and my heart. Hairspring, balance staff replacement and shellacking were all great firsts on the watch.

You guys seem awesome here, really excited to stick around and keep learning.
 
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Do you generally see a lot of these refinished ribbon/special dial variations?
We do see a lot of refinished dials. We dont see a lot of these special dials. They are uncommon. If your dial would have been originial it would have been a nice find.
 
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Thank you, this is great information to have. It'll be a good everyday watch until an original non runner ribbon dial comes across ebay. I may try to be on the lookout for an appropriate case for the dial though. Do you generally see a lot of these refinished ribbon/special dial variations? I'm quite new to the omega authenticity scene. I appreciate your help and knowledge.

The ribbon dials and other similar variations are less common than standard silver dials. Unfortunately that’s going to go against you as even non runners aren’t going to sell cheap.
Tbh if this was my watch I’d appreciate it for what it is or sell it and out the funds towards a more original example. If you try and track down an original dial and the correct caseback you going to spend a lot of time and more than the watch is worth. Even then, it won’t be original and will have an average case.

In these cases I think it’s almost always better to sell, add more funds and buy a good watch, rather than trying to make an average watch good again
 
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In the future, be cautious of Eb*y Dealers "salting the mine" with their lots.
 
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In these cases I think it’s almost always better to sell, add more funds and buy a good watch, rather than trying to make an average watch good again
+1 👍
 
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With parts of different watches and a repainted dial, I'm not sure there is enough to merit a restoration. What would you restore? It sounds like it was a fun project and you have something to wear that is the result of your efforts.

Moving forward, in your place I would probably look for a more original watch in better condition.
 
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With parts of different watches and a repainted dial, I'm not sure there is enough to merit a restoration. What would you restore? It sounds like it was a fun project and you have something to wear that is the result of your efforts.

Moving forward, in your place I would probably look for a more original watch in better condition.
Fair enough, I think you’re right. I plan to just enjoy it as is, and savor the movement work I did.
 
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In the future, be cautious of Eb*y Dealers "salting the mine" with their lots.
Good call, I’m no stranger to eBay dealers pulling sketchy stuff, but like I said the price was good even for an orphaned movement so I’m not too bummed.