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Not Apollo, But Another Great 60's NASA Project

  1. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 9, 2016

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    I was watching these documentaries just the other day and its so hard to imagine it was now more than half a century ago that North American built these two utterly insane aircraft. Everything about it from the wings, to the physics involved in its Mach 3 cruising speed to its landing gear was just such an incredible feat of engineering. Truly beautiful from every angle too, especially the rear.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_XB-70_Valkyrie



     
  2. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Dec 10, 2016

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    Only became NASA after the USAF realized that the speed and height could not get past Russian SAMs.

    I've seen the survivor at The Air Force Museam. Stunning bird, huge in person.
     
  3. WurstEver Dec 10, 2016

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    It really is an impressive sight to see! Here's a couple of photos I took of the Valkyrie looming over the YF-23 in the "experimental" annex of the museum in Dayton a couple of years ago. I understand that some or all the aircraft in the annex have since been moved into a new building.

    IMG_20150905_101431.jpg IMG_20150905_101359.jpg
     
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  4. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 10, 2016

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    Oh wow that looks incredible
     
  5. tyrantlizardrex Dec 10, 2016

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    So much love for cold era war jets.... I'd love me an SR-71
     
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  6. padders Oooo subtitles! Dec 10, 2016

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    The Mig25, you know the one which can do Mach 3, was designed to counter the perceived threat of the B-70 and SR-71 (A12). As noted above, once they developed missiles which could fly fast and high enough, this kind of tech was redundant.
     
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  7. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 10, 2016

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    I love how with that Mig it was cooled with a huge amount (500 liters) of pure ethanol, so every time one landed at a remote airbase they'd drain it and get smashed such that the aircraft were often left inoperable.
     
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  8. al128 unsolicited co-moderation giverer Dec 10, 2016

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    thats when technical engineers forget social engineering ...

    (in a country where people put shoe-polish on bread put it in the sun so it melts and the bread absorbs the solvents (alcohol?) ... and then they scrape it off and eat the bread) :thumbsup:
     
  9. RegF Dec 10, 2016

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    Was this because the russian ground and air crew were completely blotto? - which I find implausible if only 500l of alcoholand a base full of Russians

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    because there was now no more coolant available for the plane? - which seems so much more likely
     
  10. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 10, 2016

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    Pure alcohol though, at 40% pure that's the equivalent of 1,250 litres of Vodka
     
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  11. LawBrk Dec 10, 2016

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    Only worry with Lab grade etOH is the ppm of benzene. In my uni days I recall a run in with pure ethanol.....danger Will Robinson. :confused:
     
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  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 10, 2016

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    Yea but you're not Russian :)
     
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  13. LawBrk Dec 10, 2016

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    Aren't I? ;)
     
  14. ulackfocus Dec 10, 2016

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    I've been trying to get my wife to get me a YF-23 for Christmas for years. I finally lowered my standards to an F-35 or even an F-16. The smaller size would make it easier to fit on our double driveway and use our street for a runway. Funny thing, my brother the ex-marine, wouldn't mail me an M-134 mini gun piece by piece either. That would have been the ultimate Schuylkill Expressway accessory once I bolted it to the Toyota. Imagine having 3 sidewinder missiles on a spring release on the roof and the M-134 mounted on the fender! You'd be WISHING for some prick to cut you off and give you the finger. "Too close for missiles. Switching to guns!"
     
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  15. tpatta Happily spending my daughter’s inheritance Dec 10, 2016

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    I'm sure the fine folks at Dillon in Scottsdale, AZ., can set you up with the mini-gun. Of course getting it back to NJ might be problematic. :D
     
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  16. ChrisN Dec 10, 2016

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    I can't get on with these modern soulless interceptors but my wife refuses to get me an early sixties English Electric Lightning in (Albert Ball) 56 squadron colours. I don't know what's wrong with her... mutterings of poor fuel consumption, maintenance costs... and she drives a Jaguar XJS:eek:
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  17. padders Oooo subtitles! Dec 10, 2016

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    That would go nicely with a Speedmaster Tin-Tin.
     
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  18. corn18 Dec 10, 2016

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    I grew up an hour north of Dayton and the WPAFB Museum. My dad took me there when I was 7 where I saw the Valkyrie for the first time. That's when I decided to be a pilot. Great memories. Thanks for the thread.
     
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  19. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Dec 10, 2016

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    My Grandfather worked their during the 40's. My Dad grew up in Dayton. I've not been to the Smithsonian in DC but if your an airplane nerd the Airforce Museam has to be top 2 places to visit.
     
  20. tyrantlizardrex Dec 10, 2016

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    I found a full certified DeHavilland vampire for sale last month - having worked out that initial outlay including learning to fly it would run to £1million, I pitched this to my other half... apparently if I can afford it, I can have it.

    Anyone got £1million spare?