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Not all Speedmasters come from Switzerland

  1. ewand Sep 5, 2018

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    A few months ago, in one of my impulsive buying-at-auction moments, I picked up this little watch for what I thought was an OK price (not a bargain, but not bad - all of about £240 incl commission). It's sometimes described (normally by eBayers) as a "Seiko Speedmaster"...

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    A brief history lesson

    The 7a28 movement within was the world's first analogue quartz chronograph, released in 1980; this particular watch hails from December 1982. Production of the 7a28 watch family carried on until 1991 or 1992, with perhaps the pinnacle being the RAF Gen 1 chronographs from 1989 on: they periodically pop up for sale on OF, at the going rate of about £1,000, which is small change in Omega Speedmasterland but big money for a quartz Seiko ...

    The Japanese Seiko catalogue from 1983 - V2 p38 - shows a selection of bizarre looking things designed by Giugiaro (and featured on the wrist of Sigourney Weaver's character in 1986's Aliens - in fact, the SAY068 shown below is known as the "Ripley", and a modern recreation was released in 2015)...

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    Seiko sold these watches as "Speedmasters" (that's the translation of the text headline to the left of the SAY058). Not sure if Omega even noticed at the time, or maybe they didn't care.

    Some JDM examples even had the name on the clasp - it was aimed at young motorbike riders, apparently...
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    … while non-JDM ones typically have additional MIN and 1/10s markings on the dial, and simply Seiko SQ on the bracelet clasp. Many earlier JDM mechanical Seikos were co-branded as Speed-Timer, usually on the dial, though none of the 7a28s seem to have it written up front.

    Another 7a28 watch was also worn by Roger Moore in A View to a Kill, and for the fans of the truly obscure, was featured in They Might Be Giants' video for "Older".
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    Back to the present

    I thought my auction buy was a dud - put a battery in it but though the chrono seems to work (except that the minutes register at 9 o'clock was stuck), the main timekeeping didn't. Oh well, so I chucked it in the drawer resolvign to get it Seiko maestro @Sir Alan at some point to get it running. At which point it'll be deeply in the red of cost vs value...

    But a pleasant surprise today was I noticed that after fiddling with it for a few seconds, it was working - the running seconds hand at the 6 o'clock register was merrily ticking round. So I gave it a clean and stuck it on my wrist...
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    Case size is 41mm excl pushers & crown, so it's notably larger than many of its 7a28 and 7a38 cousins (the 7a38 being a later model that added day & date readout to the 3 o'clock subdial).

    Here it is in comparison with a 145.022-71, a 7a38-7190 from 1986 and an issued 7a28-7120 aka RAF Gen 1, from Gulf-war-era Jan 1990.
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    If you're interested in reading more about the 7a28 family, check out the really excellent Collectors Guide on The Springbar.
     
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  2. pascs Sep 5, 2018

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    I have a few Seiko 'Speedmasters' and think they are great watches. The movement is relatively easy to work on and there are plenty of the cheaper models for parts. The biggest issue, apart from any with the movement, is the pushers become very sticky due to dirt, stripping them down and cleaning is the best option
     
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  3. ewand Sep 5, 2018

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    Oh, and I've just noticed that @Faz has one for sale in the Private Watch Sales forum. I've no connection at all with it, but it looks like a bit of a steal if you ask me...
     
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  4. ewand Nov 21, 2018

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  5. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Nov 21, 2018

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  6. trash_gordon Nov 27, 2018

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    I love the 7AXX Series from Seiko. Especially the Giugiaro ones.
     
  7. Professor Nov 27, 2018

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    The side mounted buttons of the "Ripley" look to be intended for use when wearing thick gloves.
     
  8. CPRwatch Nov 27, 2018

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    Great thread Ewan & great watches , here's mine from July 84 bought for £127.50 . It's the same as Roger Moore wore in A view to a kill . image.jpeg image.jpeg
     
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  9. ewand Apr 10, 2020

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    Enjoying the sun on a very Good Friday, helped along with a dark n stormy... Stay safe, everyone...
     
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  10. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Apr 10, 2020

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    Indeed, at least three things come to mind...
    There was something like the " Buy American Act " bringing among others, the Starr Watch Case Company in Michigan - USA into the Speedmaster production process. In 1976 some amazing Apollo-Soyuz Speedmasters were assembled in Italy... and there was CRS Charles Rodolphe Spillmann
     
  11. ezinternet Nov 6, 2022

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    Just keeping the flame lit - a great little watch.
    Learned today that original Seiko Ref was SAY028
    And here's mine Seiko-Speedy, with an applied "Seiko" logo :)

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  12. Snooz Feb 20, 2023

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    Here's my JDM 7A28 7040 from 1983 - it has the original jdm AA58A bracelet but unfortunately the Speedmaster clasp has been replaced with a SQ item.
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    Cool story about one that got lost in the sea and found again -
     
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  13. Morlock Feb 20, 2023

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    I love that Seiko line, I never understood how both brand could use the same model designation, but I don't care, both are great watches.
     
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  14. ezinternet Feb 20, 2023

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    I looked up Speedmaster as a trademark (USPTO) and Omega has it for horological devices, dating back to 1958, renewed 4 times, and still “live”.
    Perhaps Omega sent Seiko a notice?
     
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  15. Morlock Feb 20, 2023

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    Thanks for the info. This adds more weirdness to the use of the name ::confused2::
     
  16. pascs Feb 20, 2023

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    Some of mine.....

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    With regard to the name Speedmaster, is it only physically mentioned on some of the clasps, which I believe was only available in certain markets?

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  17. CLA05 Feb 20, 2023

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    Awesome, those are great!
    I received this one ( I know not the same model ) for my 16th Birthday in 1998. The 7T32B movement has finally died, going to look for one on eBay.
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