No papers Omega Planet Ocean 42mm titanium 232.90.42.21.03.001

DanD · Jan 1, 2026

padders
This. I’ve never heard of a single example of a fake or replica where the so called serial passes the Archer test ie the serial gets a hit for the correct ref when looked up on the extranet.

The other point above about a recent watch without box and papers being hard to sell is fair but where is the line beyond which it doesn’t matter? 5 years, 10, 20? As long as the watch is priced to reflect the lack of warranty or collateral items it still can be a good deal. I’m talking generally, maybe this one isn’t quite cheap enough.

You bring up a great question in your second paragraph. At what point in time can you seriously consider buying a watch without the box and papers, and if you do, how much of a price premium should a complete set bring, 10%, 25%, or 50% premium over one without a box and the red cards?

If one were to purchase a watch….lets say this one #0413 of 1948

For $2800 without box or the cards, where do you draw the line of, there is no value in the watch without them?

ErichPryde · Jan 1, 2026

D DanD
You bring up a great question in your second paragraph. At what point in time can you seriously consider buying a watch without the box and papers, and if you do, how much of a price premium should a complete set bring, 10%, 25%, or 50% premium over one without a box and the red cards?

If one were to purchase a watch….lets say this one #0413 of 1948

For $2800 without box or the cards, where do you draw the line of, there is no value in the watch without them?

If this is 2800 without box or papers and it is real, I'd buy it pretty quick. If that's the one you decide to go with, enjoy it!

DanD · Jan 1, 2026

ErichPryde
If this is 2800 without box or papers and it is real, I'd buy it pretty quick. If that's the one you decide to go with, enjoy it!

Just contacted the seller after posting this….and it is no longer available

ErichPryde · Jan 1, 2026

D DanD
Just contacted the seller after posting this….and it is no longer available

At that price point.... are you sure that wasn't an old but not closed listing? It would be.... almost unheard of for a PO LMLE to be sold at that price point today. Unless something funny was going on.

DanD · Jan 1, 2026

ErichPryde
At that price point.... are you sure that wasn't an old but not closed listing? It would be.... almost unheard of for a PO LMLE to be sold at that price point today. Unless something funny was going on.

It was listed on Dec 9th, so about 3 weeks. I was trying to do as much research on this watch that I could before asking some questions on here, I wanted to see some more photos because I wasn’t too sure about it, especially at that price.

502 to right · Jan 1, 2026

Boxes can be purchased on ebay. Warranty cards can be faked and hundreds of thousands of (if not millions) of legitimate Omega watches have been sold by gray market dealers in the last 20+ years with no warranty card. And many people do not want large boxes taking up space and throw away the warranty card after the warranty expires.

To me, box and cards are nice, but it's the watch itself that will tell you if it's fake. If you don't know, take the watch to a good watchmaker and have them inspect. No counterfeit Omega watches have a movement with the finishing quality approaching what Omega does. If it's a watch with an exhibition caseback they don't even need to remove the caseback.

Lode_Runner · Jan 1, 2026

502 to right
To me, box and cards are nice, but it's the watch itself that will tell you if it's fake. If you don't know, take the watch to a good watchmaker and have them inspect. No counterfeit Omega watches have a movement with the finishing quality approaching what Omega does. If it's a watch with an exhibition caseback they don't even need to remove the caseback.

I agree on the red cards; and the reference in this case would have been out of warranty for many, many, years, so the cards are a "nice to have," not essential if everything else checks out.

I don't know if you could confirm authenticity without physically removing the exhibition caseback and looking around for other indicators. On the movement quality, check out this video from a few months ago comparing a real vs. a "superfake" Seamaster Pro 300M, below. The fake in that video has some clear deficiencies, but you almost need to have a real watch to compare it to (or be someone like Archer) to quickly spot the problems. In the Rolex world for watches that go 3x over MSRP on the secondary market (like the steel Daytonas), the superfakes are very good.

This is one of the reasons authorized dealers who sell pre-owned watches can consistently charge a lot more for pre-owned Omega than private sellers on the forums, because at least some added element of trust there. I have purchased from ADs including online ADs who sell pre-owned Omega watches, and they are obsessive about making sure what they sell is authentic; they know that if they inadvertently sold a counterfeit watch to a customer, their reputation might be severely damaged if that customer posts about it on the Internet. That added element of trust does command a premium.

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ErichPryde · Jan 1, 2026

Lode_Runner
don't know if you could confirm authenticity without physically removing the exhibition caseback and looking around for other indicators.

You can.

I really don't like this video because the person who created it is playing down the differences and being vague about what they are when he's looking at the movement, as opposed to playing up the differences in the balance and train bridge and jewels. It's almost like he's trying to sell how good the fake is as opposed to teaching people how to spot the differences?

If your takeaway was what I quoted, seems the video succeeded.

And, on a coaxial seamaster like this all you have to do is time it. Looks like this video finally gets around to it. You can do that with a cell phone app but side by side like this you can see it.

sheepdoll · Jan 1, 2026

Do they actually fake the coaxial and hairspring now? My impression is that they just put a fake back on a cheap movement that covers over this.

My main objection to fakes, is that they charge the same as for something real. So the main intent is to deceive. To profit on the industry of others. Not to mention making it difficult for honest people to make a decent living.

One would think the time spent would be more productive in other areas, but in the quick reward society instant gratification is all tha matters.

Then I personally have an issue with spending more than 500 on a given watch. I still want my 10 cent candy bar, although I will settle for a 25 cent one, as long as it is full sized.

ErichKeane · Jan 1, 2026

ErichPryde
You can.

I really don't like this video because the person who created it is playing down the differences and being vague about what they are when he's looking at the movement, as opposed to playing up the differences in the balance and train bridge and jewels. It's almost like he's trying to sell how good the fake is as opposed to teaching people how to spot the differences?

If your takeaway was what I quoted, seems the video succeeded.

And, on a coaxial seamaster like this all you have to do is time it. Looks like this video finally gets around to it. You can do that with a cell phone app but side by side like this you can see it.

Yeah, the fake was pretty clear to me once I looked at the movement. The center bolt on the rotor is bad, and the jewels are comical. The balance adjustment was obviously way off. He seems to be trying to convince people that the super fakes are 'almost as good', when what I took out of it is that the so called 'super fakes' are much further away than folks seem to think.

padders · Jan 1, 2026

Lode_Runner
I agree on the red cards; and the reference in this case would have been out of warranty for many, many, years, so the cards are a "nice to have," not essential if everything else checks out.

I don't know if you could confirm authenticity without physically removing the exhibition caseback and looking around for other indicators. On the movement quality, check out this video from a few months ago comparing a real vs. a "superfake" Seamaster Pro 300M, below. The fake in that video has some clear deficiencies, but you almost need to have a real watch to compare it to (or be someone like Archer) to quickly spot the problems. In the Rolex world for watches that go 3x over MSRP on the secondary market (like the steel Daytonas), the superfakes are very good.

This is one of the reasons authorized dealers who sell pre-owned watches can consistently charge a lot more for pre-owned Omega than private sellers on the forums, because at least some added element of trust there. I have purchased from ADs including online ADs who sell pre-owned Omega watches, and they are obsessive about making sure what they sell is authentic; they know that if they inadvertently sold a counterfeit watch to a customer, their reputation might be severely damaged if that customer posts about it on the Internet. That added element of trust does command a premium.

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You are scaremongering for the sake of it. Many of us here have the ability to spot fakes from photos and as noted above no so called superfake correctly and accurately copies either the coax escapement, free sprung balance or beat rate of most current Omega calibres. In fact even the closest copies get many things wrong when viewed with appropriate scrutiny. Lume pips, fonts, etc etc are often easily spotted when you like many here have seen and handled thousands of watches.

ErichPryde · Jan 1, 2026

padders
Lume pips

What boggles my mind is that the "super fakes" consistently get the location of the PIP within the triangle utterly wrong.

padders · Jan 1, 2026

ErichPryde
What boggles my mind is that the "super fakes" consistently get the location of the PIP within the triangle utterly wrong.

Shhhhh! 😀

ErichKeane · Jan 1, 2026

I'm just glad they are finally getting pivots in some of the jewels! THOSE were embarrassing to fall for 😁

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