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·Anybody know what this one is ?
No name Watch
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ScDevon
·Interesting piece. I like the case. Do you see any numbers under the balance of the movement? Is that some sort of logo inside of the case back? The design of that re-dial is quite imaginative. Too bad the original brand name or model name are gone for good on the dial.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Old movement and case with a newer dial.
movements that look like that are hard to identify.
movements that look like that are hard to identify.
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Canuck
·That is a vitreous enamel dial. Re-dial, do you really think so?
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Syrte
·Looks like an early 20th century watch, the style places it around WWI period but it could also be early 1920s, I find the dial matches the style and era of the rest of the watch, I don’t see it as a redial either and I think it’s a nice looking anonymous watch.
There’s a bit of black color which seems to have bled a tad on the top of the subdial but all of the numerals are very well defined, as well as the “Swiss made” at the bottom.
I could be wrong but AFAIK enamel dials do not get redialed as they do not age the way silver dials do.
They may crack when the metal plate underneath the enamel contracts or expands, but they can look brand new after 100 years.
the only tampering I’m aware of is fake dials being printed to fake expensive chronographs.
this is definitely not the type of watch.
There’s a bit of black color which seems to have bled a tad on the top of the subdial but all of the numerals are very well defined, as well as the “Swiss made” at the bottom.
I could be wrong but AFAIK enamel dials do not get redialed as they do not age the way silver dials do.
They may crack when the metal plate underneath the enamel contracts or expands, but they can look brand new after 100 years.
the only tampering I’m aware of is fake dials being printed to fake expensive chronographs.
this is definitely not the type of watch.
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ScDevon
·That is a vitreous enamel dial. Re-dial, do you really think so?
The area where the black meets the top of the white sub dial is pretty rough and blob-ish. Can the term “redial” include a repainted original dial or a swapped dial from another watch or either?
No brand/ model markings on the dial….roughly masked off sub-dial. Can’t vitreous dials get repainted and swapped around too? Just curious and I’m still learning.
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Canuck
·The area where the black meets the top of the white sub dial is pretty rough and blob-ish. Can the term “redial” include a repainted original dial or a swapped dial from another watch or either?
No brand/ model markings on the dial….roughly masked off sub-dial. Can’t vitreous dials get repainted and swapped around too? Just curious and I’m still learning.
The only reason someone might contemplate repainting a vitreous enamel dial would be if the vitreous enamel dial became stained or oxidized. Vitreous enamel dials are impervious to staining and oxidizing.
Swapped dial? The dial feet are correct for the movement, the locations for the hands on the dial are correct. If this dial was swapped, it would have had to have been swapped for an identical replacement.
This dial was first enamelled with white vitreous enamel. After firing in a kiln, the dial would be masked, the black enamel applied by pad printing, stencil, or silk screening, then fired again. A labour intensive process, and the detail might be considered a bit less than perfect, but certainly not (IMO) a redial.
No name on the dial? I have a 1915 (hallmarked) Rolex that is a twin to the subject watch. Movement marked Rolex, no name on the dial. This was common with vitreous enamel dials. Painted metal dials can have a brand name added, later. Not so with vitreous enamel dials.
My 1915 Rolex.
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SkunkPrince
·This dial was first enamelled with white vitreous enamel. After firing in a kiln, the dial would be masked, the black enamel applied by pad printing, stencil, or silk screening, then fired again. A labour intensive process, and the detail might be considered a bit less than perfect, but certainly not (IMO) a redial.
Or hand painted!
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Professor
·Could these have been conversions? I've seen old adverts for complete case and dial conversion kits for pocket watches.
Being a conversion the kit watch dials would be unlikely to carry the name of a watch making company.
Being a conversion the kit watch dials would be unlikely to carry the name of a watch making company.
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Helvetia History
·It looks like to me like it has the same black finish that mine pictured below has. Rather than two layers of smooth shiny enamel the black is overlaid in some sort of rough coating which gives it a matt finish. Apparently this was not an uncommon way of getting the black finish with white numerals. You can see the effect best where the light catches it between the one and two.
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