damionstodola
·Hi all - Am a newbie and looking for guidance. After a long-time thinking and [drum roll] watching (groan), I want to buy my first timepiece. I'm looking at vintage Omegas, because of the brand's reputation, value, and my budget is sub $1,000 for my first foray into this new hobby and passion. And, to be honest, I'm not interested in trends or fashion: I'm interested in a piece that will open a door, allow me deepen my understanding of the brand, build on it, learn as I care for and use this piece. I've spent a long time reviewing this forum, though only recently joined and appreciate the wealth of knowledge. So, two questions:
1. are there any "can't miss" resources I should be looking at? I've poured over this site, the Ranfft site for researching calibres, the chronomaddox site, and Omega's reference site as well. But any books?
2. I've got my eye on what appears to be a late 60s DeVille (photos below), gold plated, 711 calibre, serial numbewr is 23 million putting it around 1966, original glass for under $400. I've researched the seller (who is only on Ebay, not Chrono24), and I can't find evidence of negative feedback. I'm attracted to the watch because it's a square watch and a little slimmer and smaller and just appeals to me. But it appears to me to not be an "all original" in the sense that:
a. the crown, band, buckle are not original/Omega branded;
b. the dial face doesn't correspond to what I've been able to find online for the reference 161.022. The 161.022s I've seen, including from an old Omega catalog, Omega's site, and online don't correspond to this one. For example, Omega's site has index hour markers, but the writing is different: "Omega, automatic (lower case), DE VILLE" on Omega's site whereas this specimen is "Omega, AUTOMATIC [in what appears to be an all or small caps different font], DE VILLE" (cf. https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-de-ville-omega-st-161-0022). On this site, I found a user who had located a 1967 catalog which also shows a slight variation in the text placement on the dial (no DE VILLE on that 161.022; instead just an OMEGA and then above the "6" index market, low caps "automatic". In other specimens from ebay or auctions, I've seen the "same" watch with yet different dials using only arabic numerals.
c. I know that there are a tonne of people who repaint Omega dials to suit current trends, and I guess I'm wondering whether or not the integrity of the dial as "original" is important (and whether at this price point it even matters). And, moreover, how to tell. And, also, should I care about the dial if I like the watch?
d. The specimen for sale was serviced in 2015, but based on my research, seems like it's due for a new one at which time I'd probably want to find an Omega branded crown to replace this one.
Am I on target with my analysis? Any advice from more seasoned enthusiasts?
Grateful for any insights.
1. are there any "can't miss" resources I should be looking at? I've poured over this site, the Ranfft site for researching calibres, the chronomaddox site, and Omega's reference site as well. But any books?
2. I've got my eye on what appears to be a late 60s DeVille (photos below), gold plated, 711 calibre, serial numbewr is 23 million putting it around 1966, original glass for under $400. I've researched the seller (who is only on Ebay, not Chrono24), and I can't find evidence of negative feedback. I'm attracted to the watch because it's a square watch and a little slimmer and smaller and just appeals to me. But it appears to me to not be an "all original" in the sense that:
a. the crown, band, buckle are not original/Omega branded;
b. the dial face doesn't correspond to what I've been able to find online for the reference 161.022. The 161.022s I've seen, including from an old Omega catalog, Omega's site, and online don't correspond to this one. For example, Omega's site has index hour markers, but the writing is different: "Omega, automatic (lower case), DE VILLE" on Omega's site whereas this specimen is "Omega, AUTOMATIC [in what appears to be an all or small caps different font], DE VILLE" (cf. https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-de-ville-omega-st-161-0022). On this site, I found a user who had located a 1967 catalog which also shows a slight variation in the text placement on the dial (no DE VILLE on that 161.022; instead just an OMEGA and then above the "6" index market, low caps "automatic". In other specimens from ebay or auctions, I've seen the "same" watch with yet different dials using only arabic numerals.
c. I know that there are a tonne of people who repaint Omega dials to suit current trends, and I guess I'm wondering whether or not the integrity of the dial as "original" is important (and whether at this price point it even matters). And, moreover, how to tell. And, also, should I care about the dial if I like the watch?
d. The specimen for sale was serviced in 2015, but based on my research, seems like it's due for a new one at which time I'd probably want to find an Omega branded crown to replace this one.
Am I on target with my analysis? Any advice from more seasoned enthusiasts?
Grateful for any insights.





