Hi

i have recently bought a original 1965 pie-pan constellation watch. I was told it was untouched and worked perfectly. The cal is 564, case number 197.005 and on inspection it does tick all the boxes. My problem is that 197.005/0005 does show on the Omega site and also the caseback doesn't have the medallion present. I was told post buying (ebay buy and maybe the mistake) the watch that some did come without the medallion as they were for engraving. This hasn't been engraved and therefore seems dubious. The seller has reported to the watch inspected in the midland by a omega dealer and I just wanted feedback from those more knowledgeable (you guys). Will this affect the re-sell value if I were ever to sell on? Could I buy a medallion to insert?Lastly does the case number and medallion mean it is not original as described?

Thanks for your time

 

Hey Dan,

firstly welcome, and on first glance the watch looks original, so that's a plus. I would re-check that case number as It is most likely 167.005. So give that a try in the Omega database. Personally I don't agree about the engraving situation. Either way it should have a solid gold medallion, I believe at least 14k gold content. IMHO a BIG part of the watch value! Depending on what you paid, this will factor into it, should you decide to sell the piece in the future. I'm not sure if this was described in the listing?

All the best,

Dab.

 

Thank you for the reply.

The originality of it is my problem as it seems a good one in every other respect. I did so much research on pie-pans before buying as I'm a bit obsessive! It makes it more odd about the case number as he said it was looked at by an approved dealer and stated 197.005. The 167.0005 states a 1962 watch and in the advert it states 1965. It wasn't in any pics or the description that the medallion was missing. I took it as being there as it was described as untouched and original. Paid £750 with the idea it had the medallion! Do you think it is a refund job? Obviously just wanting opinions and not going to hold you legally responsible!!!

 

Personally, If it were my watch, I would want to find one that was all original with the medallion...

There's some very knowledgeable members here that can steer you on the right path!

It's probably a 168.005. Bare in mind the accuracy of the omega database, and serials can be plus or minus 2 yrs sometimes

Just my two cents,

Dab

 

We need photos of the inside and outside of the case back. No medallion + wrong model number (it should be 168.005 with a 564) = very bad.

 

The watch is obviously not "untouched and original". With an incorrect case reference and a missing medallion you would find this watch very hard to sell in the future. You have every good reason to ask for a return and a full refund. The moral of this tale is -

Never, ever, buy a watch on eBay that does not have good photographs of absolutely everything - front, back, sides, inside back, movement, the lot!

 

Hi

thank you for replying, it's helped me decide a plan. I find it odd how the seller have every pic other than any of the back case, inside or out! going to have it opened and findout! Will update later. Here is a pic of the back

 

The medallion was supposed to be there, but it was removed and scrapped for it's gold content (most likely) or fell out (less likely). As far as I know, when Omega made 'presentation watches' they made a plain flat caseback without any logo or medallion, nor any place to fasten one. They didn't just not put the medallion on.

How about a shot of the inside of the caseback?

 

The medallion is missing. It did not come from the Omega factory this way. I have seen only two pictures of Constellations which were presentation watches and were engraved. Both of them were solid 18k gold and had a completely flat back for this purpose.