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NEWpt 32 Caliber Recognition HELP ! Leonidas VENUS? M.w.co? hmmm....

  1. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 1, 2017

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    @Foo2rama your normally my saving grace on these!... Batter up!

    a really pretty Moser in untouched condition comes in a little moser stamped cloth and all! anyway theres ONE i think it could be but i wont say it so then thats all you see (if you get what i mean)

    I need a caliber recognition help please! 26.3mm (movement) 31.7mm diameter (case w/o crown) Stunning little movement beautifully hand bevelled plates, cotes de geneve and pearling under balance No movement marks this side only henry Moser "shield" Is it a Moser in house or is it....?

    Anyone know?

    In advance THANK YOU
     
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  2. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Feb 1, 2017

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  3. Jwit Not a doctor, but plays one on ΩF Feb 1, 2017

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    That is one gorgeous little watch. How did you come across it?
     
  4. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Feb 1, 2017

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    That's a lovely watch and a high quality movement but what an unusual barrel bridge set up. Where is the click located?

    I'll have a look in my books but I think that's way too early for my reference material.
     
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  5. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 1, 2017

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  6. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Feb 2, 2017

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    I thought it might be. So it's a click spring held by the screw to the left of your box and "clicking" at the other end?
     
  7. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 2, 2017

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    I believe so.
     
  8. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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  9. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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  10. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Feb 2, 2017

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    Nope not that Longines.
     
  11. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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    im pretty sure it WAS a 1068N with a different plate set up simply two piece rather than one the ionly thing that threw me was that 1068n is a stem set then i remember i do have a pin set... No?
     
  12. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Feb 2, 2017

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    I'm looking at the screws, they do not line up the same way even if it is the same baseplate. They are definatley different screw locations.

    I think its closer to an Eterna movement as the base, then modified, hence the hairspring carrier is different. The screw locations are much much more inline with these. Additionally the location of the hair spring not being 180 from the stem matches the Eterna and not the Longines which is closer to 180 degrees.

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_96
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_520
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?00&ranfft&a&2uswk&Eterna_600


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  13. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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    are they not too late? inner case serial puts the Moser watch at 1890 1910 but absolutely no later.
     
  14. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 2, 2017

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    Definitely not a Longines movement. It looks familiar but I cannot quite place it. Resembles this Paul Ditisheim but still not a match. Maybe the same source though...
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  15. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Feb 2, 2017

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    Yes but perhaps a clue on the quest.
     
  16. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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    they should program AI that does this using facial recognition software....
     
  17. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Feb 2, 2017

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    @FullyWound Have you tried asking on WUS? There are a few members that would likely know.
     
  18. FullyWound Hasn't discovered decaf yet. Feb 2, 2017

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    Im not a member because it will never send me my log in verification email (no its not in spam) i have tried a half dozen times and then just gave up..

    It would be pretty cool of you if you could jam a picture on there for me tho? if thats not WAY too cheeky
     
  19. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 2, 2017

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    Someone posted for you over at WuS:

    http://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/h-moser-cie-movement-identification-4006306.html

    The people there found another watch with a very similar movement, which also was unidentified.

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    I think @DirtyDozen12 is on the right track with Paul Ditisheim. Moser generally purchased their movements from other companies and re-branded them. Most that I saw were FHF (Fountainmelon) calibers, but yours is different.

    Here is a post I found from NAWCC showing two 1910's pocketwatches with very similar movements:

    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?92430-Paul-Ditisheim-Gold-Pocket-Watch

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    My guess is that yours watch was made around 1914-1920.

    It is in excellent condition, but I would not call it "NOS". That means New, Old Stock. As in never sold by the jeweler. It looks like your crown may have been replaced, as it is gold, while the rest of the watch is silver in color. Not sure if the case is sterling, nickel or some other nickel/silver alloy. I don't see any silver hallmarks in your pictures.

    Still a wonderful find!
    gatorcpa
     
  20. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Feb 2, 2017

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    I agree, the similarities are there to convince me that Moser bought ebauches from Ditisheim and maybe did some additional work on them.

    Edit: And seeing the watches that Evan just posted convinces me even more.