got this today on a watch fair.

i dont really know what it is exactly but it was sold to me as a Omega Jumbo Calatrava from 1936 - one of the first center second movements. 37 mm woc - i dont really see the caliber - its something "34". paid 1000 usd

is it legit or did i get screwed?

 

movement measures aprox 23mm

do you guys know anything about the history of this watch? is it franken? i cant find such a movement in such a case when searching for it on the internet

 

I don't think you got screwed (save for the one sticking through the dial) but dont think it was a bargain either.
Dial is so so shape, large case a big plus.
I like it, like the blue steeled hands.
Enjoy it!

 

thanks guys! i also aquired this tudor simultainously from the same seller. he explained - its one of the first produced and exported to Australia - before even the Tudor company was officially founded. There are a few out there but none has such a (he called it "scientific" dial. I have to admit that this guy was crazy. He showed me a picture album of his watches - among those were "first" three handed steel Pateks selling on Christies for 500 and 300k and also a Jaeger that was produced for some Serbian King... (all not for sale) and also this "cheap" Tudor (he really know how to sell and i took it for 1400 usd) and he "wanted to get rid off" -- i dont thik i would pay that much for it today...

 

That is a cool little Rolex piece; the Tudor name was used on a variety of models (starting in 1926) long before Tudor became a separate company (1946). Tudors were marketed in Australia in the '30s, and some of the models were for that country only, as Rolex had done for Canada and others in the Commonwealth up to and including WW II. Names like Victory, Lipton, Observatory, Record and others came to Canada to be cased and sold to soldiers headed for Europe. Others were produced under the Oyster banner (Raleigh, Centrograph, Commander, Shipmate, etc.), but I am not aware of the Oyster Tudor brand. The scientific dial refers to the chapter ring markings, which may have been used by scientists to time experiments, etc. Nice pick up, it should clean up nicely!

 

can it be considered as a tudor prototype made by rolex?

 

I don't think anyone can say that without proper evidence/provenance. Rolex made Tudor models for several years before they spun off the name as a separate company. I think the best you can say is that this piece is a nice example of a Rolex produced in the era between the two World Wars.
Would love to see a shot of the crown...Brevet?

 

thanks

 

Hi,
The Omega looks good to me. It is a 23.4SC Inside. The screw on the dial (and the hole close to it) are certainly not original. Too bad, the dial looked well preserved...
The ref is CK 859, here in the 1940 catalog :

I've got one from circa 1937, with a damaged dial in my projects box :


Here it is side by side with its sister from round 1939, same case with a 26.5SOBT2 inside :

 

Thanks Yann-love to see the old pics on these lovelies!

 

I think Max our super dealer from Austria is back and seeking our common knowledge to run his "special business". He had been here with at least 3 different IDs (or was it 4, I do not recall) and finally had been banned.

He is back again...
Mods would you please check his IP address?

Both of these watches are offered on his website - - see links below!

https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen...en-tudor-gruendung-scientific-dial-140512299/

https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen...unde-scientific-dial-37mm-oversize-140513525/