New Arrival - JLC/Gübelin Ipso Vox Parking Dial

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I saw this one on eBay last week and said, “I have to make this mine!”



A few days later, it was. OK, so it has a few issues. The crowns are not correct and should be replaced anyway. If you know someone with a couple of JLC Ref. E856 crowns, drop me a PM, please.

These watches were produced by Jaeger-LeCoultre for Gübelin from about 1958 to 1965 or so. The idea of the markings on the inner dial is to remind the wearer when they need to put more money in their parking meter.

The movement is the standard Memovox cal. 814. Since the back on my watch is extremely tight, I will show the movement from another Ipso Vox:



Note that it is marked as adjusted, a feature not shared with either the Jaeger-LeCoultre or the US LeCoultre versions of this reference.

I oknow of only two other example of this case and dial combination, both owned by collectors from the PuristS forum.

http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf.forumpost/fi-2/ti-632161/dv-true/wf.responses.open_bLoB_s-0/

To quote Clavi, one of the top JLC gurus:
This Gübelin parking is not a 'low' alternative to a regular JL-signed Parking, it is even better.

Parking-dial Jaeger LeCoultre memovox are rare

IpsoVox, Gübelin signed memovox are rare

IpsoVox, Gübelin Prking dial : mega rare

Here’s a period JLC advertisement:



You can see that the dials and lugs are the same as my example. At one time there was a small hoard of Parking center dials sold on eBay. Many of these made their way into other JLC Memovox cases, some correct, some not.

However, the presence of the Gübelin logo on my dial marks it as original.



After getting it home, it was time to give this watch a cosmetic clean up and crystal polish. When I trashed the ugly green leather band provided by the seller, I found a surprise—fixed spring bars! That’s going to limit my choices of watch bands.

Here’s the result.



The dirt (some would call it patina, but I’m just being honest) on the dial is less noticeable than it seems from the above photo. Don’t think i’ll do anything about it, too much of a risk for the printing that’s left.



The case serial number of 760K is right in the range of other known pieces, but this one is the only one with the number on the outside of the case.

This will make it to the watchmaker eventually, but for now, I’ll get a open-end band and wear it for a bit.

Thanks for sticking with me this long.
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I think there's something so interesting about getting a piece that had a very specific function for its Era... And even though it might not be of any use now, it serves to remind of the culture/technology/social landscape back in the day.

Congrats on the novel piece 😀
 
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Nice catch and an interesting post.

Are you sure the bars are fixed? They look like suicide bars to me.
See if you can spin/move the tube. You may be able to cut them off and use decent straps.
 
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They look like suicide bars to me.
What do you mean by "suicide bars"?

I think I can spin the tubes.
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A very nice catch indeed! Congratulations!

Here is a page of a Gübelin catalog where one of these rare alarm parking watches is presented.



(Not exactly the same dial configuration)
 
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What do you mean by "suicide bars"?

I think I can spin the tubes.
gatorcpa

My term for the shoulderless spring bars that fill the whole length of the lug space. Suicide because the only way to get rid of them is destruction of some sort.

I think they were originally intended to be used with drilled lugs, therefore easy to remove. Shouldered bars are much better in blind hole lugs.
 
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Nice grab Evan.......

Looking forward to seeing it in person.

Best
Bill

I saw this one on eBay last week and said, “I have to make this mine!”



A few days later, it was. OK, so it has a few issues. The crowns are not correct and should be replaced anyway. If you know someone with a couple of JLC Ref. E856 crowns, drop me a PM, please.

These watches were produced by Jaeger-LeCoultre for Gübelin from about 1958 to 1965 or so. The idea of the markings on the inner dial is to remind the wearer when they need to put more money in their parking meter.

The movement is the standard Memovox cal. 814. Since the back on my watch is extremely tight, I will show the movement from another Ipso Vox:



Note that it is marked as adjusted, a feature not shared with either the Jaeger-LeCoultre or the US LeCoultre versions of this reference.

I oknow of only two other example of this case and dial combination, both owned by collectors from the PuristS forum.

http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf.forumpost/fi-2/ti-632161/dv-true/wf.responses.open_bLoB_s-0/

To quote Clavi, one of the top JLC gurus:


Here’s a period JLC advertisement:



You can see that the dials and lugs are the same as my example. At one time there was a small hoard of Parking center dials sold on eBay. Many of these made their way into other JLC Memovox cases, some correct, some not.

However, the presence of the Gübelin logo on my dial marks it as original.



After getting it home, it was time to give this watch a cosmetic clean up and crystal polish. When I trashed the ugly green leather band provided by the seller, I found a surprise—fixed spring bars! That’s going to limit my choices of watch bands.

Here’s the result.



The dirt (some would call it patina, but I’m just being honest) on the dial is less noticeable than it seems from the above photo. Don’t think i’ll do anything about it, too much of a risk for the printing that’s left.



The case serial number of 760K is right in the range of other known pieces, but this one is the only one with the number on the outside of the case.

This will make it to the watchmaker eventually, but for now, I’ll get a open-end band and wear it for a bit.

Thanks for sticking with me this long.
gatorcpa
 
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Great find, and a very nice read with the history of this unique watch. 👍
 
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Great snag! Not sure how that one slipped through my filters. I agree with Jim about the spring bars. Some wire snips will take care of them. In addition to the distinctive case/lugs, another feature of these watches that helps distinguish them from the fakes is the large diameter of the center disk relative to other Memovox models.
 
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Wow, nice watch! I love the parking meter complication, talk about unique.
 
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Here is a page of a Gübelin catalog where one of these rare alarm parking watches is presented.

I wonder if the value of the Carrera is still lower than the Gubelin today...

Excellent pick up!
 
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What do you mean by "suicide bars"?

I think I can spin the tubes.
gatorcpa

Suicide bars - my guess is that the retractable bit is already deep into the lug, so removing them would be a "suicide" mission and damage the case in the process?
 
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As it turns out, @JimInOz was 100% correct.

I took a pair of shears and very carefully cut off the bars. Replaced them with standard flanged 18mm springbars and a vintage alligator strap and we’re good to go.

Watch is running fast, so it’s due for a service.

For now, I’ll wear it a couple of more days and then let it rest.
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took a pair of shears and very carefully cut off the bars. Replaced them with standard flanged 18mm springbars and a vintage alligator strap and we’re good to go.
Pictures or it didn't happen, somebody once said!

Brother, what about tax season, running behind this year? I know my 1099's did.

Great watch, by the way!
 
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Brother, what about tax season, running behind this year? I know my 1099's did.
Running behind? You mean what happens when Congress changes the law eight days before the end of the year and IRS doesn’t know which end is up?

The watch does’t look any different, since the band that was on it had black leather inserts.

There will be more pictures later.
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As Crocodile Dundee might say, "Those aren't suicide bars; THESE are suicide bars."

 
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OK, so this is a blatant bump.

I finally was able to get inside the watch. Found some interesting information.

First, the inside of the caseback:



No LeCoultre here, but it does have a case serial number on the outside and the metal post necessary for the operation of the alarm feature.

However, on the movement, where I expected to see a Gübelin signature, what do we find?



A standard Jaeger-LeCoultre signature instead.

The movement serial number is 1.3M, which makes this watch a little bit older than the two others I’ve seen.

Not sure what to make of all of this.
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