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New Arrival - JLC/Gübelin Ipso Vox Parking Dial

  1. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 15, 2018

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    I saw this one on eBay last week and said, “I have to make this mine!”

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    A few days later, it was. OK, so it has a few issues. The crowns are not correct and should be replaced anyway. If you know someone with a couple of JLC Ref. E856 crowns, drop me a PM, please.

    These watches were produced by Jaeger-LeCoultre for Gübelin from about 1958 to 1965 or so. The idea of the markings on the inner dial is to remind the wearer when they need to put more money in their parking meter.

    The movement is the standard Memovox cal. 814. Since the back on my watch is extremely tight, I will show the movement from another Ipso Vox:

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    Note that it is marked as adjusted, a feature not shared with either the Jaeger-LeCoultre or the US LeCoultre versions of this reference.

    I oknow of only two other example of this case and dial combination, both owned by collectors from the PuristS forum.

    http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf.forumpost/fi-2/ti-632161/dv-true/wf.responses.open_bLoB_s-0/

    To quote Clavi, one of the top JLC gurus:
    Here’s a period JLC advertisement:

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    You can see that the dials and lugs are the same as my example. At one time there was a small hoard of Parking center dials sold on eBay. Many of these made their way into other JLC Memovox cases, some correct, some not.

    However, the presence of the Gübelin logo on my dial marks it as original.

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    After getting it home, it was time to give this watch a cosmetic clean up and crystal polish. When I trashed the ugly green leather band provided by the seller, I found a surprise—fixed spring bars! That’s going to limit my choices of watch bands.

    Here’s the result.

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    The dirt (some would call it patina, but I’m just being honest) on the dial is less noticeable than it seems from the above photo. Don’t think i’ll do anything about it, too much of a risk for the printing that’s left.

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    The case serial number of 760K is right in the range of other known pieces, but this one is the only one with the number on the outside of the case.

    This will make it to the watchmaker eventually, but for now, I’ll get a open-end band and wear it for a bit.

    Thanks for sticking with me this long.
    gatorcpa
     
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  2. sdre Feb 15, 2018

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    I think there's something so interesting about getting a piece that had a very specific function for its Era... And even though it might not be of any use now, it serves to remind of the culture/technology/social landscape back in the day.

    Congrats on the novel piece :)
     
  3. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Feb 15, 2018

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    Nice catch and an interesting post.

    Are you sure the bars are fixed? They look like suicide bars to me.
    See if you can spin/move the tube. You may be able to cut them off and use decent straps.
     
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  4. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 16, 2018

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    What do you mean by "suicide bars"?

    I think I can spin the tubes.
    gatorcpa
     
  5. Xtof Feb 16, 2018

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    A very nice catch indeed! Congratulations!

    Here is a page of a Gübelin catalog where one of these rare alarm parking watches is presented.

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    (Not exactly the same dial configuration)
     
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  6. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Feb 16, 2018

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    My term for the shoulderless spring bars that fill the whole length of the lug space. Suicide because the only way to get rid of them is destruction of some sort.

    I think they were originally intended to be used with drilled lugs, therefore easy to remove. Shouldered bars are much better in blind hole lugs.
     
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  7. JohnSteed Feb 16, 2018

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    Congrats @gatorcpa
    Very nice catch indeed.
     
  8. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 16, 2018

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    Nice grab Evan.......

    Looking forward to seeing it in person.

    Best
    Bill

     
  9. Mr.Cairo Feb 16, 2018

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    Great find, and a very nice read with the history of this unique watch. :thumbsup:
     
  10. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Feb 16, 2018

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    Great snag! Not sure how that one slipped through my filters. I agree with Jim about the spring bars. Some wire snips will take care of them. In addition to the distinctive case/lugs, another feature of these watches that helps distinguish them from the fakes is the large diameter of the center disk relative to other Memovox models.
     
  11. IDXM Feb 16, 2018

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    Wow, nice watch! I love the parking meter complication, talk about unique.
     
  12. GuiltyBoomerang Feb 17, 2018

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    I wonder if the value of the Carrera is still lower than the Gubelin today...

    Excellent pick up!
     
  13. GuiltyBoomerang Feb 17, 2018

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    Suicide bars - my guess is that the retractable bit is already deep into the lug, so removing them would be a "suicide" mission and damage the case in the process?
     
  14. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 17, 2018

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    As it turns out, @JimInOz was 100% correct.

    I took a pair of shears and very carefully cut off the bars. Replaced them with standard flanged 18mm springbars and a vintage alligator strap and we’re good to go.

    Watch is running fast, so it’s due for a service.

    For now, I’ll wear it a couple of more days and then let it rest.
    gatorcpa
     
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  15. UncleBuck understands the decision making hierarchy Feb 17, 2018

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    Pictures or it didn't happen, somebody once said!

    Brother, what about tax season, running behind this year? I know my 1099's did.

    Great watch, by the way!
     
  16. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 17, 2018

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    Running behind? You mean what happens when Congress changes the law eight days before the end of the year and IRS doesn’t know which end is up?

    The watch does’t look any different, since the band that was on it had black leather inserts.

    There will be more pictures later.
    gatorcpa
     
  17. Vitezi Feb 17, 2018

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    Pretty sure @JimInOz is filing a trademark on "suicide bars" right now. :) Just like NATO strap™.
     
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  18. wsfarrell Feb 17, 2018

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    As Crocodile Dundee might say, "Those aren't suicide bars; THESE are suicide bars."

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  19. jaguar11 Feb 17, 2018

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    Fascinating piece. Wear in good health.
     
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  20. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Feb 18, 2018

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    OK, so this is a blatant bump.

    I finally was able to get inside the watch. Found some interesting information.

    First, the inside of the caseback:

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    No LeCoultre here, but it does have a case serial number on the outside and the metal post necessary for the operation of the alarm feature.

    However, on the movement, where I expected to see a Gübelin signature, what do we find?

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    A standard Jaeger-LeCoultre signature instead.

    The movement serial number is 1.3M, which makes this watch a little bit older than the two others I’ve seen.

    Not sure what to make of all of this.
    gatorcpa