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Need advice: Speedmaster 145.022-69 with DON bezel - buy it or leave it?

  1. PepeMUC Dec 3, 2018

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    First of all, a very heartfelt hello from Munich to all of you.
    I have been around reading and learning for more than a year now, as I have started collecting only in 2015...
    Love this forum and the wealth of knowledge and helpfulness I have seen so far.

    To be honest, I have a big bunch of questions for you, as I am safeguard to own a few vintage Omegas for my children (my weakness are 33.3.s from the 30/40s, an Aviator from the 30s a.o. and Speedmasters from the 60s).
    For time reasons I'd like to start though with a request for advice of buy it or leave it.

    We are talking about a SpM 145.022-69 with a DON bezel from 1970 (Serial 2911...) offered by a local pawn shop.
    IMHO, there are PROs (DON bezel) and CONs (condition) - I do have a talented watchmaker tough who could fix various damages... So my three main questions would be:

    1. I am confused about the caliber case - my other 145.022-69 (DNN) does not have this "inner ring" with a kind of thread (marked on pic below). What is the function of this ring? AND, are the damages visible on the ring a major problem?
    2. Any other inconsistencies you might have spotted?
    3. Would you buy it for € 4000 (4500 USD)?

    Thank you VERY much in advance for your help!
    Case.jpg 145.022-60 DON.jpg Download (2).jpeg
     
  2. Igora Dec 3, 2018

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    I think this ring is some kind of replacement for dust cover.
    Watch looks nice and price is fair.
    DON is also in fair condition..
     
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  3. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Dec 3, 2018

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    Chocolate dialed 69er with a decent don for $4.5k ... better hope its still there ...

    Edit : VAP @ $4.5k, thats what...the bezel and the midcase (if unpolished)?
     
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  4. bags1971 Dec 3, 2018

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    run back to them as fast as you can and throw the money at them
     
  5. Screwbacks Dec 3, 2018

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    :mad:
     
  6. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Dec 3, 2018

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    In addition to a "fabricobbled" replacement spacer that is used in place of the anti-magnetic cover, the balance cock is missing the fine regulator.

    Given that level of butchery, I have reservations regarding the condition of the movement that would give me pause...

    Cheers, Al
     
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  7. trash_gordon Dec 3, 2018

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    Do this asap
     
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  8. kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Dec 3, 2018

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  9. kov Trüffelschwein. Dec 3, 2018

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    I tend to second Al here. A chocolate dial remains attractive till you eventually realize it's been glued to the movement by the master butchmaker who cared of the watch :whistling:
     
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  10. repoman Dec 3, 2018

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    something tells me you'll be into it for A LOT more after all the work that is needed to repair it, as long as you're willing to to take that risk, proceed. personally, I'd pass, but that's because I don't particularly fancy chocolate dials, and I like examples that don't come day 1 with so many issues.
     
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  11. Davidt Dec 3, 2018

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    Even without the movement issues I'd want to see a better picture of that dial before I advocate skipping merrily back to the shop, cash in hand.
     
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  12. PepeMUC Dec 3, 2018

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    @all: thank you loads for your thoughts. I am glad to read that my instinct seems to work and that my concerns are mirrored by some of you. I have decided to take the risk and I just confirmed my intention to buy it. Not sure, if I look forward to listen to my watchmaker's lections once we sit down to take a close look, but I hope for the best. Will share a better pic, once we have fixed the expected issues...