Need Advice: Pre-Moon Speedmaster 105.012-66 CB

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Hello!

My husband recently inherited a Speedmaster 105.012-66 CB Calibre 321 from his late grandfather. We know from the serial number that it is from 1967. And fun-fact, his grandpa won the watch in a poker game in the 1970s! It has been verified as genuine by a renowned auction house where we live, who helped to open up and give us the serial number as well. For some background we are located in Sweden and I am only an adjacent watch person (I only have a Rolex Datejust...😅), but my father is a big watch collector.

It was a well worn watch, though in the later years it was not kept in the best condition, and has some grime and buildup between the links, as well as some oxidisation near the crowns.I don't have more photos at the moment but will add more closeups in a bit. It is working, though we have not tested to see if it keeps the time.

We know that the watch band is not the original band that the watch started off with. My husband took this to a local Omega authorised repair shop and they said that to get it back to a good condition they would have to:
1. Change all the crowns because the rubber insulation has disintegrated.
2. Change all the hands because the original luminescent paint has flaked off and crumbled into dust which could eventually damage the movement. (We also know that it is possible to relume parts of the watch, but that was not mentioned by the repair shop)
3. Change the watch crystal since it is so cloudy.

We spoke to my father about this watch and he was super excited about it, because it is a relatively rare watch. He said that it would be best to keep as many original parts as possible. And my husband feels the same about this. For instance he doesn't mind that the crystal is a little cloudy, and he likes that there are small nicks and scratches because its so sentimental for him to have his grandfathers watch. So when the eventual service is booked, he is going to make it clear that they are to only clean the watch and not buff it.

He is also wondering about the strap, because apparently the original straps were leather as according to the auction house and he would like to have some recommendations on straps that are as close to the 1967 strap as possible.

So just looking for advice and recommendations on what to do next.

Thank you in advance for all replies!

 
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First thing I noticed are the hands, that are from a MK II Speedmaster afaik.

What I would do:

  • buy some polywatch and polish the crystal.
  • Look for a local watchmaker, that has experience in vintage watches. The Cal. 861 is nothing super complicated and a good watchmaker can service it. He can also clean the case in US (but beware,the bezel needs to be detached, it could be damaged in Ultrasonic bath and it cost a bit to find another one 😉 ). The Omega authorized shop is maybe a good go, since he also has access to spare parts (and maybe the correct hands)
  • buy some (correct) Service hands (or the more expensive way, look for originals at ebay)
  • Since the lume on the dial looks lost to me, I would consider a good relume, together with the bought hands (James Hyman or Horoluma are the experts)
  • I wouldnt change the crown and pushers.

Voila, nice watch, ready to go another 60 years.

btw, good first post, like we all like it. You have questions, but you are allready prepared and did your homework 👍

Nico
 
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First thing I noticed are the hands, that are from a MK II Speedmaster afaik.

What I would do:

  • buy some polywatch and polish the crystal.
  • Look for a local watchmaker, that has experience in vintage watches. The Cal. 861 is nothing super complicated and a good watchmaker can service it. He can also clean the case in US (but beware,the bezel needs to be detached, it could be damaged in Ultrasonic bath and it cost a bit to find another one 😉 ). The Omega authorized shop is maybe a good go, since he also has access to spare parts (and maybe the correct hands)
  • buy some (correct) Service hands (or the more expensive way, look for originals at ebay)
  • Since the lume on the dial looks lost to me, I would consider a good relume, together with the bought hands (James Hyman or Horoluma are the experts)
  • I wouldnt change the crown and pushers.

Voila, nice watch, ready to go another 60 years.

btw, good first post, like we all like it. You have questions, but you are allready prepared and did your homework 👍

Nico
Yes I forgot to write that the hands are also not original. Thank you for the advice!!
 
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I agree with your father that it is best to go slowly and preserve originality as much as possible. This would include no polishing of the case, IMO, because I can see the distinctive finish pattern of the CB case on the lugs, that should be carefully preserved. Since that repair shop does not seem to appreciate originality, I think I would be hesitant to trust them with the watch. There are other watchmakers who are experienced with collectible vintage watches, and I would look for someone like that.

As far as I can see, there should be no problem polishing the crystal. The crown does not appear to be original, but I think the pushers may be original; however, I can't be sure about the pushers without better photos. That particular reference originally had distinctive pushers with thick necks. If the crown and pushers are not original, I would be comfortable replacing them. The hands are going to be your biggest dilemma as mentioned above because they are visually prominent. All of the period-correct parts can be obtained on the secondary market if you'd like to pursue a restoration. Or you can use modern service parts. If you choose service parts, you can have the lume in the hands color-matched to the dial.
 
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Hello, welcome to the Forum and Congrats to a lovely family heirloom!
And also Greetings from a fellow Swede (I live in Skåne!)!

This Forum has a soft spot for vintage Speedmasters, and you have already received lots of solid info.
And there will be more members who will help out!

A few things…
There is an amazing website thanks to @Spacefruit (you might have read it) that has tons and tons of info regarding Speedys,
and also about your reference:

https://speedmaster101.com/105-012/

Here is a post by the same author regarding serviceparts, and what to think about:

https://speedmaster101.com/blog/why-dont-we-want-service-parts-a-quick-guide-for-a-newcomer/


You can also check in this post/thread, there are lots of lovely CB´s that you could look at and compare!



Regarding the watch that you and your husband has inherited:

There are a few skilled and independent watchmakers in Sweden who could service the watch and help you with the delicate decisions.
May I ask which one that you have been in contact with?
I do think that they might not be the right one for you and the watch…?


The crystal could be polished by a watchmaker.
Period correct hands might take some time to find, but they do come up here on the Forum!
A relume in Sweden could be a challenge, the best ones are abroad.

The pushers looks correct, and maybe the crown…these could be cleaned, and a new gasket for the crown,
Cleaning and a service will make wonders with the watch.

You have got some answers regarding the lume on the dial, but we need better pictures before a verdict….

I myself have had most of my Speedys serviced by Simon Freese in the UK, this might be a bit difficult for you if you do not love traveling??

And the auction house - a bit weird that they stated that CB´s only came with a leatherstrap….?
They came with both a bracelet and a leather strap (you could choose in the shop).

Please do take your time, read more about Speedys, and ask questions here before you move on!

Good luck, and we are all looking forward to more pictures and info!
 
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Agree with all that’s been said. The bracelet and hands are wrong. Pushers appear to be correct. Crown - who knows, we’d need a side on picture of it.
Similarly we need a better picture of the dial, ideally in natural light to determine condition and the presence of lume.

Personally, I’d buy a tube of polywatch for £7 and polish the crystal. This will improve things drastically. I’d then take my time researching watchmaker sympathetic to vintage and have them clean but not polish the case, full movement service and new hands. I’d have the new service hands colour matched to the dial and if the plots are missing lume, have these done at the same time.

It may be best using a specialist for any lume work if your chosen watchmaker isn’t good with relumes.

The bracelet should be a 1506 with 16 endlink. Not easy to find and around £1500+. A good quality generic leather strap is also fine.
 
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Hello and welcome to the forum. Inheriting a lovely, vintage, Omega Speedmaster is a wonderful thing. I know this because I came to this forum searching for advice regarding my Dad's 105.012-65, which I inherited 22 years ago.

I received excellent advice from the author of Speedmaster101, (Omega Forums member: @Spacefruit ).

His recommendation was to have it serviced by Simon Freese.

You could send the watch to
Simon Freese Watchmakers and discuss the work with him on the telephone.

Simon is located in the south east of England, a short distance from East London.

He's well respected on this forum and It's the only place I take my 321 Omega Speedmaster. Also, given his expertise, his prices are reasonable.

QUESTION FOR THE FORUM:
I have a correct, 24 tooth, crown on my Dad's105.012-65.
Should that be a 36 tooth crown for the 105.012-66, being discussed here?
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Very cool piece. Hope you can get it brought back to glory, but as many have mentioned, you do not want a full service that includes replacing everything original and polishing out all of its life and character.
 
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Hello, welcome to the Forum and Congrats to a lovely family heirloom!
And also Greetings from a fellow Swede (I live in Skåne!)!

This Forum has a soft spot for vintage Speedmasters, and you have already received lots of solid info.
And there will be more members who will help out!

A few things…
There is an amazing website thanks to @Spacefruit (you might have read it) that has tons and tons of info regarding Speedys,
and also about your reference:

https://speedmaster101.com/105-012/

Here is a post by the same author regarding serviceparts, and what to think about:

https://speedmaster101.com/blog/why-dont-we-want-service-parts-a-quick-guide-for-a-newcomer/


You can also check in this post/thread, there are lots of lovely CB´s that you could look at and compare!



Regarding the watch that you and your husband has inherited:

There are a few skilled and independent watchmakers in Sweden who could service the watch and help you with the delicate decisions.
May I ask which one that you have been in contact with?
I do think that they might not be the right one for you and the watch…?


The crystal could be polished by a watchmaker.
Period correct hands might take some time to find, but they do come up here on the Forum!
A relume in Sweden could be a challenge, the best ones are abroad.

The pushers looks correct, and maybe the crown…these could be cleaned, and a new gasket for the crown,
Cleaning and a service will make wonders with the watch.

You have got some answers regarding the lume on the dial, but we need better pictures before a verdict….

I myself have had most of my Speedys serviced by Simon Freese in the UK, this might be a bit difficult for you if you do not love traveling??

And the auction house - a bit weird that they stated that CB´s only came with a leatherstrap….?
They came with both a bracelet and a leather strap (you could choose in the shop).

Please do take your time, read more about Speedys, and ask questions here before you move on!

Good luck, and we are all looking forward to more pictures and info!
Hej Hej!

He took the watch to Klockmaster here in Stockholm since they do Omega repairs, but we think that they are not the best place to take of this watch so actually he has been in contact with some one in Falun (at Dala Ur, he posted on Klocksnack.se the watchmaker is Dr.Klocka, and they were highly recommended). Not sure yet if they can help with the re-lume but my husband is so excited about the watch and its restoration project so I am sure he would be up for a trip.

I haven't had time to take more pictures but we are definitely going to try and find period correct hands, and yes he will be going with a leather strap.
 
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Klockmaster is a NoGo...👎

Ask for info and some references on Speedys from Dala Urteknik, I have not heard about them.
You also have Urteknik in Linköping (not so far from Stockholm), I have read about som nice Speedys they have done.
give them a call, and see what they have to say?

And once again - do not rush the decisions!

Ha det så gött från Skåne!
 
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Hi all!
Thank you for the advice so far!
Here are some more pictures, with close ups of the crown and pushers.

 
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My desire to polywatch that crystal and clean that grime is at level MAX!

Having said that, don't succumb to your urges to clean that watch. The grime on the black DON bezel needs to be cleaned off carefully by a watchmaker (NOT in an ultrasonic machine)....sometimes that grime has corroded the bezel and if you are aggressive in removing it, you can damage the bezel even more.

Are you certain that there is no lume left on the dial? The lume plots look white, but I'm wondering if it's just your camera? Maybe take a photo outside in natural daylight and share.

If there is in fact no lume, I would send the dial to James Hyman as others have mentioned (https://www.alchemistrelumer.co.uk/) - he can relume it for you and provide a set of hands to match the dial. Based on what I have seen, he is the best relumer bar none. You can ask your watchmaker to remove the dial, put it in a proper holder for you and then you can FedEX it to James.
 
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Agree w @pitbos above. Let watchmaker clean it up
I think bezel is dirt see my 105.012 before and after cleaning.
Also I think lume is present. Loupe it and also UV light will tell for sure.
 
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So...how are your thoughts going now that you have had some time to digest the different suggestions from the Forum?
And have you had time to reach out to the watchmakers?
 
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So...how are your thoughts going now that you have had some time to digest the different suggestions from the Forum?
And have you had time to reach out to the watchmakers?
Hej! Sorry for the late reply as life was hectic these few weeks.
We sourced the matching 321 calibre Spearpoint hands. We are going to get it cleaned just like advised above, but have not decided 100% on when the dial and hands will be relumed.
 
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Hej! Sorry for the late reply as life was hectic these few weeks.
We sourced the matching 321 calibre Spearpoint hands. We are going to get it cleaned just like advised above, but have not decided 100% on when the dial and hands will be relumed.
Nice, which watchmaker did you choose?