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  1. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 15, 2018

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    Picked up a 14k gold Seamaster DeVille that I talked about in this thread:

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-dials-with-printing-or-gold-lettering.67995/

    The seller stated the movement was a cal 560 and I took his word for it.

    The movement was running slow and after putting it on my timing machine and seeing the amplitude was very good in all positions, I decided to open up the case to regulate the movement.

    Getting all excited to see my first 560 I was let down to see a cal 562. Don't get me wrong, the 562 is a tremendous movement, but I've never owned a 560 and was happy to find one locally.

    The case is a KL6610 and I assumed these cases only had the 560 movement. If anyone could shed some light on this I'd appreciate it.

    It's a great watch and now keeping excellent time.

    omega_562 001.JPG omega_562 011.JPG omega_562 016.JPG omega_562 017.JPG
     
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  2. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 16, 2018

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    Any thoughts on this?
     
  3. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Feb 16, 2018

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    562 does seem quite odd for this reference since is is a US market watch. One would indeed expect to see a 560 or possibly a 563. A US market movement would be marked OXG like this one. I suspect the movement may have been replaced or parts swapped.

    Can you post a photo of your movement with the rotor turned 180 degrees?


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  4. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 16, 2018

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    Thanks much for your reply X350 XJR. Here are three more movement pics, but I don't see an import mark. I bought this watch here in Ontario, Canada and there's a presentation engraving on the case back from November 1966, but that's all the info I have about the history of this watch.

    omega_562 018.JPG omega_562 019.JPG omega_562 020.JPG
     
  5. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 18, 2018

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    Any other thoughts or opinions?
     
  6. larryganz The cable guy Feb 18, 2018

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    Here is my 1962 DeVille gold capped with 562 movement.







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    $_57-5 copy.JPG

    I tried to find info about the watch on the vintage database in 2014 and this is all I found

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  7. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 18, 2018

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    Thanks very much for your pics and for the info from the database Larry, very much appreciate your help with this.

    This 14k gold case should have a 560, or this 562 movement should be in an 18k gold case.

    I wonder if the buyer had a higher jeweled moment put into a less expensive case?
     
  8. SeanO Feb 18, 2018

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    more than likely the XJR350 scenario.

    parts/movement replacement. A fairly common occurrence in the day when they were simply watches that needed to work properly.

    or the movement has come out of an 18k watch that was parted out during the gold rush and melted and the movement slipped into another watch.
     
  9. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 18, 2018

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    Quite possibly SeanO but the case has a presentation engraving dated Nov 1966 and the movement serial number dates the movement to 1966 as well. If the dates didn't match up I would think movement swap as well, but with matching dates I'm not so sure.
     
  10. SeanO Feb 18, 2018

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    are they matching dates?

    only an extract would settle the matter. but I suspect that the movement 560/562/563/? fits into all of the unishell cases so it would have been a simple and easy swap for someone who just wanted to get their presentation watch back in working condition. It would not matter to this person that the movement was in any way linked/special to this particular case.

    it's a mid 60's middle order seamaster (one of millions made). whilst the presentation inscription may make it special for the person to whom it was presented the watch itself is unremarkable.
     
  11. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 19, 2018

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    Good points SeanO but what are the chances that whoever did the movement swap would have a 1966 movement on hand?

    And I understand this is a bog standard Seamaster De Ville, that's not the mystery here; the mystery is the 562 present in a case that normally takes the 560.

    BTW, I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to throw some ideas out there.
     
  12. Mr.Cairo Feb 19, 2018

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    For what it's worth, I had a steel one just like that recently that featured the 560 mov't. Don't have a pic of the inside of the case, unfortunately.


    WP_20180202_13_12_36_Pro.jpg WP_20180202_14_47_30_Pro.jpg



    Could they have been used interchangeably? A 562 here, a 560 there?
     
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  13. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 19, 2018

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    Now that's interesting Mr. Cairo. From what I've read I thought the 560 only appeared in the KL6610 cases. Seeing one in a steel case adds a wrinkle to this.

    I also collect fountain pens and over the years from what I've read and seen myself Canadian pen manufacturers were a different beast from those in USA or any other country. Many times I've found variants of existing pens that didn't match any catalogues and in some cases models that were exclusive to Canada.

    I know Rolex Canada was a wholly owned subsidiary of Rolex Geneve for tax and import reasons, so I wonder if Omega may have been doing whatever it wanted to up here.
     
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  14. SeanO Feb 19, 2018

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    Sheer luck I should imagine.

    I also wasn’t denigrating the watch or the story
     
  15. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 19, 2018

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    No offense meant or taken :thumbsup:

    Possibly luck, or possible if the movement was swapped whoever did it had access to serial numbers and purposely used a 1966 movement to match the case date, if a swap is the case.

    I know Bolduc was the Omega/Tissot service agent and distributor from 1979 until Swatch Canada took over and they're an excellent service center who did work on many Omegas for me back in the 1990s and they never swapped movements.
     
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  16. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Feb 19, 2018

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  17. WhatYourWatchSay Feb 19, 2018

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    Great link X350 XJR thank you very much for that.

    I've found many Morris watches up here in Canada, especially the Century dialed watches. In the above linked article it says the 560 was a lower jeweled model to avoid the higher tariffs that it's higher end 562 and 565 movements would incur.

    With Omega being a separate subsidiary in Canada I wonder if the higher jewel tariffs didn't apply therefore Morris could put the 24 jeweled 562 movement into his North American produced 14k gold cases.
     
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