Hi all,

first and foremost a happy and healthy new year to all of you!

I found the following watch for sale however information is rather scarce in the description. No reference number but the watch is allegedly 37mm and rose gold.

In my opinion the dial looks good. What do you think? Does anyone know the reference or caliber by any chance?

thanks and kind regards

 

Perhaps ref 4915, cal 27.0.

37.5mm excluding crown.

 

Just don’t call it a Calatrava.

I am not convinced the dial isn’t refinished ... but would want to see more photos.

 

Pretty sure it is a redial:
- The dial has acne.
- The circles in the subdial are filled with paint.
- The Longines font seems to be not centered with the logo
And it surely isn't a Calatrava.

 

Add uneven painting on seconds subdial markers - note 20,25,30,35 positions. Also appears dial color is wicking up sides of applied numerals.

 

Allegedly 37 mm is usually a euphemism for "37 mm with the crown". I've seen too many instances of people listing the size of the watch as "XX mm excluding the crown" and then claiming that it was a typo and they meant to say "including" the crown.

With the subdial in that location, if it is 37 mm, it would have one of the bigger movements, either a 27 or a 30L.

 

Not certain, but could be a reference 5581. I also vote redial.



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I also think it’s a redial, and the subdial is the most obvious giveaway. The LONGINES font is also too vertical and spaced out to my eye.

 

Another vote for a redone dial. Are the case and movement signed?

 

P.S. There should not be white in the emblem.

 

Alright folks thanks for all your constructive feedback. First think that I learn, it’s NOT a Calatrava

2nd, I’m still too blind to spot the re-dial although it’s very obvious for most of you. That’s a thing that really bugs me to be honest. I was very focused on the Longines script and the minute markers and I didn’t get suspicious there. Script is crisp and has the serifs and looks all around good. The minute track is nicely aligned and looks good enough to fool me.

Now that you point out all the other issues, I can clearly see it too... I guess I’ve still to make a steep learning curve.

thanks again.

 

Also: paint on top of the numerals/ indexes.

 

as @Syrte has stated, the paint on the applied numerals isn't supposed to be there.

Does anybody have a clue as to how that paint gets there when they are re-dialing? do they paint everything and try to clean off the numerals afterwards? I'm trying to understand how the process works for a while now to discern on the better-executed examples we have seen

 

It certainly looks like the dial has been repainted with an airbrush technique! I guess they just wipes the numerals/logo before the paint has dried.