Below is lot 51 from Antiquorum's upcoming, New York auction. It has another of these fake/reprinted, black dials. Also, I'm doubtful that a serial number of 5'866'164 corresponds to an original invoice date of 1945. Should be more like 1939. Here's the link: http://www.antiquorum.com/catalog/lots/longines-lot-307-51?page=1&q=longines

 

But they did not name the dial "original" (or untouched etcetc). The 13ZN-creation-of-value-trust becomes more careful.
Are there no pics of the movement?

rgds - h.u.

 

I love how the case is nice and lived in yet the dial looks like its brand new.

 

No movement pics that I can see. Caution through ambiguity. At least this tactic does not blatantly propagate false information. Given the dial, hands, and crown, I wonder if the case is original. I am curious about those pushers. Below is another 21'514 for reference.

 

Perhaps the pushers are not the problem - though clearly replaced. But, in ancient times, in a typical 13ZN auction, it has been mentioned the individual number (which is mostly engraved/hammered on the outside of the caseback + on the rear side of the 7 hour lug) as a sign of originality.
F.i. "21514" (batch number/ref.) and "81" (individual number).

 

The absence of such a number also caught my attention.

 

A penny for the thoughts of the Antiquorum guys. Maybe there are none?

 

And now she resurfaces at Sotheby’s.

 

I had not seen, thank you.

 

Not sure what is being referred to below but the conclusion is incorrect. Here is the link: http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2017/important-watches-n09697/lot.943.html

 

To add to this thread, another dubious example with an eastern European fake dial popped up at an auction house out of Liechtenstein: https://pfand-auktion.auex.de/Auktion/Onlinekatalog?intAuktionsId=522 (Lot #64)



I find the case questionable, as well as, the movement number "6’904’800" corresponds to a different reference in 18k as confirmed by Longines.

 

For your information, Romain Rea is now the president of Antiquorum (since may 2017). Romain Rea is a well known French vintage parisian dealer and an auction specialist of JLC, Rolex and Tudor.He has sold a lot of average to poor condition watches as wel las possible frankens to an important number of customers who haven't been enough nitpicking but who had a fat wallet. I have seen some 30ch and 13zn back at his shop then and of more than dubious origin. Do I consider Sothebys as an expert when it comes to sell the watches? No, they aren't watchmakers, they are just as good as Christies to make hype and big noise when someone overpays an item. I have a very good place where to buy a vintage legit Longines at correct prices so here it is
http://www.lorologiese.com/us/brand...1949-flyback-steel-chronograph-cal-30-ch.html

 

...at least he writes "redial" when he offers a redialed watch...

rgds - h.u.

 

Well, Lorologiese didn’t write “redial” for this one, which he sold for about €20k...

Note the painting over silver markers for example.

 

Correct. But who is so unsuspecting to pay 20k for such a watch?

 

Well I hope he enjoys the money because he won’t ever be getting a cent from me. Buy the seller, not the watch.

 

Indeed, Indeed

 

Correct furthermore. Anyway it is a mystery to me, why one buys such a watch, presented by the seller with really high grade pics that tell us unambiguously a story of mistreating. even the concentric structures of the (regarding the print) non-concentric subdials has been deleted...

 

I would not be so quick to recommend Lorologiese. Below is an example of a mistake that could be quite dangerous for an unsuspecting buyer. The dial of this watch has clearly been refinished and this is stated in the more detailed description, further down the page. However, in the summary beside the photos, the dial is described as original. Thanks to @Syrte for pointing this out!

 

This has now reappeared at https://www.lorologiese.com/en/home...tep-case-flyback-steel-chronograph-21514.html

Buyer beware.