June 12, 2012. The Night of the Connie Gold.

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That's a Seamaster Pie-Pan De Lux Date at 3... but its not the one Desmond used for his article, that was a stepped dial, this isn't

You are correct, it isn't. I was able to view Sonny's restoration in person before it was installed. It was a beautiful stepped dial. The Old Watch Club example looks like a later version of ULF's date at "6".

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Given he's an eBay hunter, this might be the one that appeared on eBay in 2007, it was a non-stepped dial Cal 503 2848 SC Pie-Pan De Lux with date at 3, which sounds like this one.
 
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So that means thus far:

2757 Stepped -> AJTT
2757 Polished -> Dennis
2627 Stepped -> Moi
2848 Polished -> Taiwan
2849 Stepped -> Sonny's restoration

All 5 so far without an identical twin, only cousins and half-brothers
 
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All 5 so far without an identical twin, only cousins and half-brothers

Have you perused the major auction houses' catalog archives? These are the type of watch that would be represented there.

I'm not a big believer in "one-off's" when it comes to watches. It's hard for Omega or any other watch company to make money that way. Even custom dials (like the cloissones and Sheiks) were made in small batches. Rare yes, but not unique.

Hope this helps,
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Have you perused the major auction houses' catalog archives? These are the type of watch that would be represented there.

I'm not a big believer in "one-off's" when it comes to watches. It's hard for Omega or any other watch company to make money that way. Even custom dials (like the cloissones and Sheiks) were made in small batches. Rare yes, but not unique.

Hope this helps,
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Oh no doubt there are more out there, its just that so far there are more variants than I'd initially expected, and I'd like the people who do find the others to turn this place up when they do a google search.
 
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Oh no doubt there are more out there, its just that so far there are more variants than I'd initially expected.
Yes that's the dream, to find one of these, or similar extreme, noteworthy Omegas at a boot sale, small antique store or flea-market for sale for a relative pittance.
 
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Yes that's the dream, to find one of these, or similar extreme, noteworthy Omegas at a boot sale, small antique store or flea-market for sale for a relative pittance.
It does happen though, one of my brother's mates has a Patek Philippe from around 1970 sitting in his garage that he wont wear because its his fathers and "an old man watch". Still in original condition, and his dad paid $50,000 for it back then, in 1970, so its likely to be something rather serious but he wants to leave it in his garage since he can't wear it, due to it being his father's, and yet he can't sell it for the same reason. He literally thought it'd be worth nothing since its old and Patek's go out of style.
 
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I think that Seamaster on the left next to the pie pan date at 3 is a special edition from the 50's for the Asian market - I forget what it commemorates and what country it was done for.
 
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I think that Seamaster on the left is a special edition from the 50's for the Asian market - I forget what it commemorates and what country it was done for.
Most likely the royal family it commemorated have all had their heads chopped off in revolutions by now anyway, the watch is probably all that's left 😉
 
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Here's an interesting question... What was the retail price of, say a yellow gold Constellation Grand Lux when they came out (on bracelet) in 1952?
 
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Here's an interesting question... What was the retail price of, say a yellow gold Constellation Grand Lux when they came out (on bracelet) in 1952?

Wait for gator - I recall somebody had a price list from the 50's.... might have been him.
 
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Here's an interesting question... What was the retail price of, say a yellow gold Constellation Grand Lux when they came out (on bracelet) in 1952?

Don't know about 1952, but the rotor version without the silver box sold for Sfr. 2,500 in 1959. That's about US$580 at then current exchange rates (Sfr. 4.3 = US$1). The calendar complication would have cost about $20 extra.

Here is the Swiss German catalog entry from 1959, courtesy of Old-Omegas.com:

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I can't imagine that it would have been much different in 1952. The gold content in the dial, case and bracelet would have been pretty much the same.

There is also a 1959 US price list at Old-Omegas.com:

http://www.old-omegas.com/3high.html

I wasn't sure if the $550/$575 price there included the gold bracelet or not. Based on the ad above, I think it does.

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That low? I distinctly remember Dennis telling me they went for ,

One Million Dollars.

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A Mercedes 300SL Gullwing was $6000 when it landed in the USA in '55/'56 so when you think of it as 1/10th of one of those, its pretty pricey.
 
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Best barn find story was a lady who posted on watchuseek about paying $2 for an original speedmaster 2915 - sold it at antiquorum for over $20k. It would have gone for more if she hadn't sent it to omega in bienne for servicing - they kept the dial but relumed it and polished the case. It was a great example pre-bienne since it had original hands, dial and bezel.
 
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Best barn find story was a lady who posted on watchuseek about paying $2 for an original speedmaster 2915 - sold it at antiquorum for over $20k. It would have gone for more if she hadn't sent it to omega in bienne for servicing - they kept the dial but relumed it and polished the case. It was a great example pre-bienne since it had original hands, dial and bezel.
Re-luming a CK2915 =O

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A Mercedes 300SL Gullwing was $6000 when it landed in the USA in '55/'56 so when you think of it as 1/10th of one of those, its pretty pricey.

Gold in 1959 was a government controlled $35 per oz. Today's price is around $1,600 per oz.

($1,600 / $35) X $600 = $27,500 approx.

What's the MSRP on the current Constellation equivalent with a full gold band?
http://www.omegawatches.com/gents/constellation/chronometer-38-mm/12350382102001?type=501

Found a web site that said it was $28,800, although it's probably gone up a bit.

Gold is still gold,
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I remember that $2 Patek thread. Man, was that a long time ago! I'm still waiting to find a Zenith caliber 135 at a yard sale.

George, owner of the home: "Hey Martha, this guy wants to buy my old watch. What did you pay for it back then?"
Martha, his wife of 57 years: "Well George, I think it was $195 if I recall. Funny that we had a tv set made by them for years too!"
George, to me: "Okay young feller, I have to ask $195 for it. It ain't a Rolex, but it sure kept great time for me."
Me: "SOLD!!!!"

Gold is still gold

Correct! Which is why I prefer gold cased watches. Stainless steel, despite what the Swiss want you to believe, is NOT precious metal. Also, if the bottom ever drops out of the watch market (see baseball cards, postage stamps, etc) I'll still have the value of the gold.
 
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I remember that $2 Patek thread. Man, was that a long time ago! I'm still waiting to find a Zenith caliber 135 at a yard sale.

George, owner of the home: "Hey Martha, this guy wants to buy my old watch. What did you pay for it back then?"
Martha, his wife of 57 years: "Well George, I think it was $195 if I recall. Funny that we had a tv set made by them for years too!"
George, to me: "Okay young feller, I have to ask $195 for it. It ain't a Rolex, but it sure kept great time for me."
Me: "SOLD!!!!"



Correct! Which is why I prefer gold cased watches. Stainless steel, despite what the Swiss want you to believe, is NOT precious metal. Also, if the bottom ever drops out of the watch market (see baseball cards, postage stamps, etc) I'll still have the value of the gold.
As long as Hoi's friends are stuffing their safe deposit boxes with old Constellations you should be pretty safe, vintage SS Rolex's, especially 70s/80s Daytonas IMO are in a bubble, they're too small to be sports watches, to sporty to be dress watches, and dramatically overpriced for steel watches with Valjoux 72 movements.