IWC Cal 60 jumbo… is this a repaint?

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belz

·Jul 1, 2025

Hi, new poster here. I have 2 Omegas, both late 60s/early 70s Seamasters. But today I need to know about an IWC I’m looking at.

Here are the pics. Questions - is it a repaint? Is this a good collection add? If I pay US$2200 for it am I getting ripped off?

 

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Dan S

·Jul 1, 2025

Dial looks legit, but condition is mediocre. What is the size?

 

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belz

·Jul 1, 2025

Dan S

Dial looks legit, but condition is so-so. What is the size?

The case is 36mm

 

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Dan S

·Jul 1, 2025

belz

The case is 36mm

That's a nice size. It's not a crazy price, but I would probably be looking for something in better condition. I just don't like the spotting and degradation on the dial. And personally, I really like the pink IWC gold cases.

 

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noelekal

·Jul 1, 2025·Home For Wayward Watches

Looks legit to me. Dial is a little tired, but then so are my eyes.

What are differences in an IWC caliber 60 and their caliber 89? I have an early 1950s IWC caliber 89 in its stainless steel case. I am not familjar enough with the two movements, for that C60 movement resembles the C89 to me.

I love all the 1940s to 1960s IWC watches. Love the simple and elegant styling of both dials and cases. I admire the C89 movements which seem sturdy and accurate and appear to be well thought of by those in the know. I would enjoy owning a solid gold cased IWC. If that watch that belz is showing us was under about $1500 I would be pleased to wear it.

 

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Tony C.

·Jul 2, 2025·Ωf Jury member

I'm not comfortable with the dial signature. Looks shaky to my eye, literally.

And I agree that even if original, there are better (value) opportunities to be found.

 

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Fallout Boy

·Jul 2, 2025

Look for a .83 movement from that period!

 

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belz

·Jul 2, 2025

Tony C.

I'm not comfortable with the dial signature. Looks shaky to my eye, literally.

And I agree that even if original, there are better (value) opportunities to be found.

Thanks for this insight. Good eye! Here's a comparison of two IWC cursive signatures. They're different in a handful of ways. Are they both legit, just changed over time? or is the one with no lines under the final "o" an obvious repaint?

 

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ErichKeane

·Jul 2, 2025

I see quite a few references of the no-underscores and the italic Schaffhausen online. I don't see any of ones in your first photo, though that could just mean it is older/less common.

The bigger issue is possibly photo quality, but the logo itself looks very disjointed/broken/etc, which is what Tony was saying.

https://timerediscovered.com/products/iwc-cal-8531-automatic-18k-gold-1961
https://e-v-w.com/products/131-year...mbo-pocket-watch-movement-cal-52-antique-1893
https://forum.iwc.com/t/evolution-of-the-iwc-schaffhausen-logo/28565/

 

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Tony C.

·Jul 2, 2025·Ωf Jury member

belz

Here's a comparison of two IWC cursive signatures. They're different in a handful of ways. Are they both legit, just changed over time? or is the one with no lines under the final "o" an obvious repaint?

I began collecting vintage watches with IWC ref. 666 Ingenieurs, ~30 years ago, and have owned more than a few vintage IWC over the years. That doesn't guarantee that my opinion is always correct, but it does provide some context.

It is true that IWC outsourced their dial work to multiple manufacturers over the decades, and that there were variations. But in my my view, there was a base level of quality that your example does not reach.

 

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Knebo

·Jul 2, 2025

The price is indeed a bit high for the condition. That being said, it's still a cool watch. The lugs have some x-factor 😀

From a watchmaker perspective, I'd prefer a watch with a shock protected balance. The OP's one isn't. That makes it more vulnerable to shock and a bit more cumbersome to service. The famous cal 89 came without shock protection at the beginning of production, but later ones do have it.

 

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S.H.

·Jul 3, 2025

There are far more repainted IWC dials from this Era than clean ones. I would not think the 1st one here is OK, personally. Doesn't look right to me, and I don't believe you can have both a clean dial and a worn crown and a rusty hand on such a non waterproof watch. Heavy use implies some dial degradation.