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Is this watch fake?
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··Noob taxpayerNot fake! Dial looks original too. Crown is a replacement.
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X350 XJR
··Vintage Omega AficionadoSomeone polished the hell out of the case, looks melted.
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killer67
·Look like an authentic 1950s (my guess is 1954ish) GP Omega bumper automatic with a cal 354, original hands and service crown. Can't see if it has a signed crystal. Sadly, as mentioned, the case been heavily polished
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Raphael25
·Someone polished the hell out of the case, looks melted.
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killer67
·unserviced and in that condition my guess is $300-350
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Raphael25
·I think the case looks great and would never know it had been polished without members here pointing it out.
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Raphael25
·How pathetically condescending to the owner of the watch who obviously likes it very much.
And I'll reiterate: I think the case looks very nice. And shiny is generally considered a good thing in watches and jewelry.
And...to those who wonder why some of us prefer to "LIKE FARM" in WRUW, or post photos or our pets, the comment above and others like it are the reason I prefer to not share my experience or opinions in other threads.
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··Noob taxpayerI think the case looks great and would never know it had been polished without members here pointing it out.
In fact, can someone explain to me: 1. When did Omega/Speedmaster collectors begin to fixate on polished cases? I have collected some pretty nice watches since the early 90s and there used to be no discussion of polishing unless a case was compromised structurally....not just because an original sharp edge was no longer sharp, as one would expect from a watch being worn for decades. 2. Why are degraded brown dials, discolored indices and hand filler, worn bezels, etc considered attractive patina, but wear and polishing from decades of use and service are not only NOT patina, but they have become (sometime in recent years) considered CALAMITOUS? Is this the result of many former Rolex collectors seeking shelter in Omega land? I'm sure Rolex collectors have been picking apart vintage watches for a very long time.
Signed,
Sick of the Polish Drama (already) [And this is not a comment on people from Poland.]
P.S. And in response to the OP's comment that he knew it was polished and likes it anyway....that used to be the point in collecting. Individuals determined if they liked a watch. There wasn't a small group of vocal collectors telling the rest what was or wasn't attractive. I am quite sure a large percentage of current collectors would not think twice about polished cases if they were not being told constantly that polished cases are bad. In my opinion, the polishing noise has gone far enough. A case that shows age and character is no worse than a brown dial that began life as black...or a "ghost" bezel. Actually, polished cases are not nearly as troubling to me as worn bezels. Just sayin'.
I think comparing a brown dial, which is from natural age, to case polishing is unfair.
I think a better comparison would be dial refinishing or retouching: refinishing or overpolishing a case parallels this closer. Overpolished cases are inherently unattractive as are refinished dials. You cannot argue an unpolished or lightly polished case is not better; this affects the value (and the history/craft). Personal opinion is aside that.
I did not mention the case finishing in my comment because it is obvious here the OP doesn't mind it. As long as he is happy with it then all good.
...But I am willing to bet if he saw a unpolished example (or even a lightly polished one) he would want to trade up immediately. 😉
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apsm100
··Noob taxpayerI disagree. In fact, I'd say a case with eased edges is less damage than a browned dial or roached bezel and is certainly nothing like a refinished dial, which is a part that is no longer original.
Brown dial is a bit of a grey area, I am not so crazy about them.
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·1. Everyone is free to appreciate whatever they happen to like.
2. The collectible market values originality.
These two issues are disconnected, and neither is susceptible to argument, which is why people in this thread (and other threads) are just talking past each other. If you like repainted dials and polished cases ... fine, just say so and leave it at that. There's no reason to get defensive about it and rant about the fact that the collectible market values original dials and unpolished cases. I have some watches with really sharp cases, and some that show wear and polishing. I appreciate the sharp cases more, but I don't take it personally or get defensive if someone points out that the others are polished. I know they are, and I wish they were sharper, but if I keep them in my collection, it's because there's still something I like about them. They're just watches.
2. The collectible market values originality.
These two issues are disconnected, and neither is susceptible to argument, which is why people in this thread (and other threads) are just talking past each other. If you like repainted dials and polished cases ... fine, just say so and leave it at that. There's no reason to get defensive about it and rant about the fact that the collectible market values original dials and unpolished cases. I have some watches with really sharp cases, and some that show wear and polishing. I appreciate the sharp cases more, but I don't take it personally or get defensive if someone points out that the others are polished. I know they are, and I wish they were sharper, but if I keep them in my collection, it's because there's still something I like about them. They're just watches.
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Raphael25
·1. Everyone is free to appreciate whatever they happen to like.
2. The collectible market values originality.
These two issues are disconnected, and neither is susceptible to argument, which is why people in this thread (and other threads) are just talking past each other. If you like repainted dials and polished case ... fine, just say so and leave it at that. There's no reason to get defensive about it and rant about the fact that the collectible market values original patinated dials and unpolished cases with scratches. I have some watches with really sharp cases, and some that show wear and polishing. I appreciate the sharp cases more, but I don't take it personally or get defensive if someone points out that the others are polished. I know they are, and I wish they were sharper, but if I keep them in my collection, it's because there's still something I like about them. They're just watches.
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Eric304
·I like it!. As long as u love it who cares about what others think.
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·@pseikotick stop getting your knickers in a twist.
The OP posted a watch and asked for opinions, one of the replies commented on the case being polished. I haven't seen some of them as it looks like they have been deleted now, so I assume they were possibly overly abrupt which I agree isn't needed.
However, one can't post a watch asking for opinions, and then be unhappy when they recieve just that - subjective opinions.
Whether you agree or not, some people (me included) shy away from polished cases as they can significantly alter the appearance of a watch and original sharp lines combined with years of natural wear can look wonderful. Others collectors are fine with polishing. Same with dial patina, age related changes in colour, modifications, lume loss/degradation/reluming. This subjectivity as to what is acceptable and attractive is part of the great allure of vintage watch collecting and just as someone shouldn't tell you you're wrong for being fine with a polished case, you shouldn't be criticising collectors who don't like them. There's enough variation out there for everyone.
The OP posted a watch and asked for opinions, one of the replies commented on the case being polished. I haven't seen some of them as it looks like they have been deleted now, so I assume they were possibly overly abrupt which I agree isn't needed.
However, one can't post a watch asking for opinions, and then be unhappy when they recieve just that - subjective opinions.
Whether you agree or not, some people (me included) shy away from polished cases as they can significantly alter the appearance of a watch and original sharp lines combined with years of natural wear can look wonderful. Others collectors are fine with polishing. Same with dial patina, age related changes in colour, modifications, lume loss/degradation/reluming. This subjectivity as to what is acceptable and attractive is part of the great allure of vintage watch collecting and just as someone shouldn't tell you you're wrong for being fine with a polished case, you shouldn't be criticising collectors who don't like them. There's enough variation out there for everyone.
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