Hello!
I'm looking for a Constellation from 1950s and 1960s, not necessarily a pie pan, and I've found this watch, it's steel and gold plated.
What do you think? I don't have other photos at the moment, se we can only concentrate on the external view.
Please let me know.
Thanks.

 

That's a pretty bad redial with wrong crown and very heavy polish.

 

Fonts look off, quite wonky star, hands without lume, "T Swiss Made T" donesn't look good, especially 'Made T'

 

Thank you for the warning!
And what about this other example?

 

Redial

 

Also this one? :-(

 

Wait for a confirmation by others but I think redial...

Did you visit Desmonds Constellation blog for some basic reading?

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

 

Thank you for the info!

 

There are hundreds of Constellations for sale that are superficially very nice. If you don't have a basic understanding of what to look for, you'll continue posting pieces for review here without learning anything and members will ignore you. My adviad to you is to spend a few days smarting up, it'll be worth it in the long run.

Yes, the above is also a redial.

 

Thank you very much. Apart from being a redial do you think it is correct in the stye?

 

In an incorrect way.

 

I understand.So bad.

 

Incorrect in a correct way is a Classic!

Look for that phase soon at *bay

 

For exercise’s sake: The second watch is a better than the first one, but it’s a redial because 1) it fails the MOY test, 2) there appears to be no lume on the dial, although it’s marked ”T Swiss made T”, 3) the last ”n” in Constellation looks too curved. Anything else?

 

I agree about the education, as I too am learning as I go. I find these threads very helpful as they help me train my eye even though they may be tiresome to the veterans here. And since i’m not a hard-core collector and just a lover of vintage watches, I’m not as discriminating of absolute perfection as some may be-including a redial if it’s done well.
I think the second one is a very attractive watch, although not wearing an original dial, it was obviously refinished with some skill. If the price is right, I see no issue with picking it up as a nice daily wear.
Disregarding all redials would be like poo-poo’ing a ‘68 Porsche 911 because it was repainted. Sure to a serious collector that may be a deal breaker, but I’ll happily take the car and drive the crap out of it!

 

I left it away, it was sold for 625 EUR, I'm not able to yet understand if it's a good price or not.

 

The car / watch analogy, although often cited, doesn’t really work.
But using it as a straw man let’s assess the watch.
Assuming the movement is correct it’s a tick in the box -you don’t want to find a Beetle (Bug) engine in your 911.
The case is quite heavily polished - so it’s like someone took a hammer to the Porsche bodywork and then tried to straighten it - badly.
Then we come to the dial - you can’t compare a car paint job to a redial.
Aesthetically, along with case, the dial is the soul of the watch and originality is where the collectibility - and therefore value - lies.

So, you are quite right in saying that if you don’t care about originality and the price is right then by all means buy it and wear it - just don’t pay collectible watch money for it.

 

For the seller yes!

With patience, some education and a little luck it’s possible to buy a nice dome dialled Connie for €625.

 

Not.

 

This is exactly what I was talking about-although it may seem old hat to many, I found this assessment very helpfully.
And my point exactly on price vs originality. If that second one were $200, I don’t think many here would turn it down even if for the value of the movement for parts