Hey guys,

Is this common for an extract? Nothing specified other than movement number, date of manufacture and country delivered to?



Seems a bit disappointing.

Is the Remark section saying this was not Omega branded?

This is from a c24 listing. Curious.

Thanks for feedback!

J

 

https://omegaforums.net/threads/value-of-extract-of-records.8659/#post-101734

Note comment from Dennis on the second post...

 

Thanks, exactly what I was hoping to learn!

 

Yup, got one very similar for my 2998-61.
I was very disappointed, did some research and found out that a lot or recent 1060 ish cal 321 Speedmasters were assembled by Lemania under licence, therefore, no real records.
"Only what is written in the records" was the mantra

 

thanks for the feedback guys. seems it is fairly common for some types. I was curious as I recently requested an extract and was just notified yesterday that Omega was cancelling the request because they didn't have enough information. When i stumbled upon this listing on c24 with a pretty much empty extract i was wondering why they might cancel my request even if they can provide other empty extracts.

anyway, no harm, no foul... just curious.

Edit: incidentally, that extract i posted in the first post was for a 105.012, but the serial is 18m, and the date is listed as 1968. that's a bit odd too.

 

This is exactly the same for the majority of calibre 28.9 and 33.3 watches

 

And here is a forum post from a few years ago, just as it was being discovered.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/lemania-produced-speedies-did-i-score-me-franken-487012.html

 

I think that 18.945.xxx c321 series is from a ck 2998-5. A lot of them come back that way.

 

In 2011 I got the follwing answer from the Omega Museum in Bienne which might enlighten all the questions about the extract for the early cal 321 Speedys (please use google translator as I am too lazy for tranlasting it ):

"Gewisse Referenzen wurden von Lémania, einer Tochterfirma von OMEGA, fertig gestellt. Jedoch ist das Uhrwerk original OMEGA. Leider sind die Archive der Firma Lémania nicht mehr auffindbar, aus diesem Grund sind die meisten Positionen auf einem Archivauszug einer Uhr, produziert von Lémania, mit „Not mentioned“ geschrieben.

Aufgrund von alten Dokumenten im OMEGA-Archiv können wir sagen, wohin die Uhr nach ihrer Fertigstellung bei Lémania geliefert wurde.

Wegen verschiedenen Vorkommnissen, bestätigen wir nur noch, wie die Uhr unsere Firma zu der Zeit verlassen hatte. Ein Extract bestätigt nicht die Echtheit einer Uhr.

Das Kaliber 321 wurde in mehrere Referenzen verbaut. OMEGA hat die Werke an Lémania geliefert und diese wurden dort verbaut. Aus diesem Grund wissen wir nicht welches Werk zu welcher Referenz gehört."

 

I had the same issue with my 105.002-62. Movement serial is 198328.. , produced 18.09.63, delivered to South Africa. Thats all.....