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Is a "cheap" time-only JLC Atmos clock worth owning?

  1. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 5, 2016

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    Im not normally into clocks but the JLC Atmos is something rather unique and special being what it is. There are numerous cheap (sub $1000) two hand variants on eBay that all seem serviceable but I'm wondering a few things:

    Are these cool enough to be worth owning?

    Are they reasonably accurate enough long term?

    Are they a big risk of damage in shipping?

    Are they expensive to maintain or difficult to find a clockmaker to work on them?

    Do they turn off watchmakers as much as normal clicks do (Archer is one among many who avoids them in part due to the hazards involved but I'm wondering if the mainsprings are less meat mulching than normal clocks)?
     
  2. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 5, 2016

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    They do seem like an incredible buy due to being so unique, and a JLC and not taking up wrist space.
     
  3. ulackfocus Nov 5, 2016

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    Duuuude, I can't believe I have to say this:

    I can't think without pictures.

    ( :p )

    Which model and what price?
     
  4. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 5, 2016

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  5. Willem023 Nov 5, 2016

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    I don't know about 'cool'; looks is a personal thing. But for me, that doesn't work.

    Technically, it must be an interesting piece, but aesthetically it is somewhat hard on my eye. A bit too much blown-up measurements of a smaller version, something like that.
    Like this car (I actually considered to buy this one), the Toyota FJ Cruiser. Technically supposed to be a very good car. A a dinky-Toy for grown-ups....

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  6. Jonatan Nov 5, 2016

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    I have always been fascinated by these Atmos clocks. I find that they have a lot of class and I plan on getting one as soon as I settle down.

    I recently inquired about the transport issue and was told that there is a clasp/lever at the bottom to protect the clock during transport. The clock was originally sold with a cary case and if you're lucky you can get one that comes with this original box. As you stated there are many variations and taste is dependant.

    I've included a few examples for sale on the local forums in Switzerland.
     
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  7. Jonatan Nov 5, 2016

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  8. wristpirate Nov 5, 2016

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    Yes they have a lever on the bottom which locks the whole mechanism in place for transporting. They are supposed to be very sensitive to movement so must always be well packed when sending in the post.

    The older models provide incredible value for what you get, considering the new ones in the JLC boutiques look practically the same.

    If looking at getting one I would definitely go for one which has been recently serviced as I understand that repairs on these cost an arm or maybe leg. There are a few eBay sellers which specialise in Atmos clocks.
     
  9. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 5, 2016

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    I bought one of these for under $500 back in 2005. I've had pretty good luck with it, but still have had some issues (see below).

    So here goes:

    1. They are extremely accurate when leveled and properly adjusted. I generally adjust mine only on when the time changes. Rarely off more than a couple of minutes in 6 months time. Make sure the clock has the original bubble level installed. Some of the older ones have lost the liquid inside.

    2. You want one with the original fitted box. The later ones with the fitted Styrofoam lining are best for shipping. It is not a easy thing to ship without damage, particularly if its going all the way to Australia. Mine came with the Styrofoam, but without the outer box. The seller packed a larger box with packing peanuts. Sent it UPS Ground for safety. No problems.

    3. A full cleaning is rather expensive. Most clockmakers can't or won't work on them as parts may be difficult to find. Although lately, I've been seeing a lot of parts for these on eBay. The bellows with the ethyl chloride can develop slow leaks when they get old, which can lead to winding issues. Expect to pay upwards of US$500 for a proper job. Add anywhere from $100 (for a refill) to $500 (for new) if the bellows need refilling.

    4. My understanding is that JLC will sell parts to clockmakers whom they've certified. Who they are and where they are located, I really don't know. I think factory service starts at something like $2,000, plus shipping both ways. Ouch! :eek:

    5. When mine stopped running a couple of years ago, I was able to find a retired clockmaker with a pretty good knowledge of these. He tested the bellows and said there were no problems there. He recommended a manual winding of the mainspring for $75 and said I need to leave it outside occasionally. That will cause the bellows to contract more than it normally would indoors. My clock is again starting to slow slightly and the pendulum isn't going around the proper 540 degrees (1.5 turns). Still keeping decent time, so I'm hoping it will last until the winter cold fronts start dropping the temperature around here. Otherwise, I hope the viejo is still around.

    Hope this helps,
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  10. redpcar Nov 5, 2016

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    Not to get off into the weeds but I've owned 2 of these. Ordered the first as soon as I could. Fell in love with the concept at a new car show in 2005. Production model was very close to the concept which is rare. Ran the first one over 200K miles and gave it to my son. My 2nd is now over 200K miles. Bulletproof. Very reliable. Outward vision is a little quirky. 1 cup holder. 1 power outlet. No carpet. It screamed childhood Tonka Toy so I had to have it. I would buy another but they are no longer in production and the used prices have gone up beyond reason :(
     
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  11. Fritz genuflects before the mighty quartzophobe Nov 5, 2016

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    Very cool, very interesting technology. A ton of pendulum hung from a thread going round and round rather than back and forth......

    If purchasing one it must be in good working order and it must be transported correctly. It might be better to find a clock maker/dealer who is experienced with them and let him locate one for you. This route may cost more but may pay dividends in the long run in reliability.

    My clockmaker buddy handed me a new bellows for one of these last year.... a huge thing that weighs nothing..... a bit weird when you're used to great honking barrels of clock spring. Like I said.... really cool little machines, using atmospheric pressure changes to wind itself...... makes you wonder.... if you have a good feed of beans could you overwind one by standing next to it and um... well.... "venting"?
     
  12. Deafboy His Holiness Puer Surdus Nov 5, 2016

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    Check out this thread on these clocks. Servicing is expensive so get one that has already been serviced. Also, assure that the finish of the metal is in good condition.
     
  13. ncstate1201 Nov 10, 2016

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    I have had an interest in these in the past because of my interest in JLC along with the coolness factor, but the servicing was a deal breaker for me.
     
  14. Jonatan Dec 3, 2016

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    They talk about the Atmos at 4:12 in this JLC video.

     
  15. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 3, 2016

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    Clock has temporarily died. :( Taking it back to clockmaker next week. He said I should be leaving it outside more often than I have been.

    Manual winding is easy if you have proper tools (he does).
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  16. Impondering Doesn't actually ponder all that much. Dec 3, 2016

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    Leave it outside? Not sure about that.

    Barometric pressure should be the same inside.
     
  17. Deafboy His Holiness Puer Surdus Dec 3, 2016

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    It is the variations of temperature that causes the bellows to expand/contract, not pressure. Wikipedia.
     
  18. Impondering Doesn't actually ponder all that much. Dec 3, 2016

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    "It gets the energy it needs to run from temperature and atmospheric pressure changes in the environment, and can run for years without human intervention."

    Thanks for the Wiki link, I was thinking it was pressure only.
     
  19. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 3, 2016

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    The original Atmos clocks were made with mercury. Those ran on changes in pressure. Even then scientists knew how dangerous mercury was in the quantities needed to run an Atmos.

    Beginning in the late 1930's this was changed to ethyl chloride, which boils at room temperature. The focus changed to temperature at that point.
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  20. Deafboy His Holiness Puer Surdus Dec 3, 2016

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    In fact atmospheric pressure variation is minor contributor to winding the clock. I pasted a graph of variations of vapor pressure versus temperature of the gas in the Atmos bellows (ethyl chloride). We see that the slope of that curve is 0.0524, meaning the pressure exerted inside the bellows varies by 5% for each degree of change of temperature. Assuming that a typical household has variation of 3 degrees Celsius within a day then pressure varies by 15%. Atmospheric pressure rarely varies more than 1% within a day, so we see that it has little influence on winding the clock. Here are other links here and here on the workings of the clock.

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