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Invicta's Impact on Watch "Collecting" In Retrospect

  1. Ray916MN Feb 15, 2019

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    I was recently thinking about how watch "collecting": has changed over the years and it dawned on me that Invicta has had a significant impact on the hobby. Back when television shopping channels were powerful retail channels, Invicta sales show tapped into a market hole for watch "collectibles" which was so successful that it spawned tremendous interest in a basically a new way of "collecting" watches. Prior to Invicta and television home shopping, watch collecting for the most part was defined by people collecting vintage or haute horology watches, not affordable current production "limited" editions. Although Invicta did not succeed in building a brand reputation equal to major Swiss brands, it did build demand for equivalent watches (ie. this and that Limited Editions) from major Swiss brands and "collectors" of them.

    Unlike traditional collectors, the new type of collectors spawned from Invicta's legacy, collect watches to wear and rather than collect based on horological historical significance or mechanical complication, they are more inclined to "collect" on the basis of the latest and greatest, limited production and whether a watch covers a style or category that they don't already own. In other words, "collecting" watches for different wearing purposes. To these "collectors" a watch isn't worth owning unless you are going to wear it, whereas the nth degree traditional collector is oft times likely to pursue watches with no significant intent of wearing them (eg. if you paid $17+M for the Paul Newman Daytona sold in 2017 wearing the watch likely did not heavily factor into your decision).

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  2. adi4 Feb 15, 2019

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    I’d argue that it was happening with Swatch far before Invicta. Just look at the current AP CEO, who was at one time the owner of the largest Swatch collection in the world. He certainly didn’t buy them all to wear.
     
  3. Ray916MN Feb 15, 2019

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    The AP CEO is an example of a traditional collector. What Invicta brought forth was "collectors" who only "collect" to wear.

    What Swatch brought forth was Happy Meal toy collecting to watch collecting. Inexpensive attractive variety that people could afford to collect and not wear. You look at "collector" who owns a DSOTM, ceramic Daytona and Hodinkee Hermes. They buy to wear for different purposes and call themselves a collector. This is what Invicta started.
     
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  4. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 15, 2019

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    Yeah yeah, but what we want to hear about is Bike collecting : to collect vs to ride :D
     
  5. Ray916MN Feb 15, 2019

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    It's a struggle .... If only watch were as visceral in use as motorcycles ...
     
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  6. Inpw Feb 15, 2019

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    Hmm, I don't know. I think I'm kind of in the middle here:

    - I do collect with the intent to wear.
    - I do try to close gaps in my collection, based on both styles and complications (e.g., I'm more interested in covering the diverse aspects of the Seamaster line than I am in owning a number of Submariners that differ only in the color of a single line of text or the exact shape of the coronet). My small collection includes both modern and vintage watches.
    - I am, however, interested in neither Invicta nor Swatch and do not consider myself influenced in any way by their release policy, marketing or collectors.
    - I do not care if a watch I like is limited or not.
     
  7. Sublime_1 Feb 16, 2019

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    What defines a collector? Having a collection of something? I have bunches and bunches of Starwars toys but I am by no means a starwars collector. Seems like a self-proclaimed title to me.
     
  8. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Feb 16, 2019

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    I collect 3 things

    Fishing lures - as this is my true passion, chasing 1meter + Barramundi
    Knives - ex butcher and enjoy different steels and styles
    Watches - had the urge since young as received a digital pilots watch when 11

    It’s just the way most males are wired. All of the above I use and wear and this kicked in way before Invicta
    Spent years without a computer or watching TV ( only got a computer in 2010 ish to be able to book holidays, prior to that we were without one at home. )
     
  9. Lbreak Feb 17, 2019

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    Speaking from my own experience, I think the initial motivation to acquire the first few items would heavily impact one's collecting behaviour.

    There are three things I collect - vinyl records, fountain pens, watches.

    Vinyl records - I started collecting vinyl records because I was intrigued by the fact that music in these black beauties has a limited lifespan. The sound of music on each LP is a collection and reflection of its history, from birth to present. Therefore I collect artists by artists, as the change in pressing, recording, and surface wear reflects the history of LP and the artists.

    Fountain pens - I started getting fountain pens because I need to use them. The collection expanded because I needed multiple colours to be present at the same time. Therefore my fountain pen collection always remains in a limited size, and all pens are frequently being used. The exterior and nib are the most important things to me.

    Watches - Motivation came from my fascination over horology history. Therefore watch movement and historical significance would always play important roles when considering what to purchase. Coming from the background of vinyl collector, I am collecting from brand to brand, through the brand's history.

    For me, I use and wear all the things I collect. What fascinated me was history, and I would love to imprint part of my history on my collections. That being said, intention to use won't be the top consideration. The storyline of the collection is far more important, at least in my vinyl records and watch collection.