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  1. M'Bob Jan 3, 2014

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    I believe this seller has posted this Centenary ref. 2499 for a while now, with no buyers. So what does he do for re-listing? Raise the starting price. Hmmm....

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  2. ulackfocus Jan 3, 2014

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    Not the first time we've seen this tactic on eBay. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jan 3, 2014

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    "When in doubt, act like a lout!"
     
  4. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Jan 3, 2014

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    I am not sure what the rationale is, but I often see this on eBAY. It gets back to the fact that many dealers are simply using eBAY as an advertising board.
     
  5. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Jan 3, 2014

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    ...morons, they walk among us...
     
  6. Fritz genuflects before the mighty quartzophobe Jan 3, 2014

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    Playing the waiting game, I'm holding out till it hits 3000.
     
  7. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 3, 2014

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    I would not consider it a centenary personally.......even though it a ref 2499....
    when omega says 2000 made to the best of my knowledge they mean 28.10JUB movements were made . Any of the 2499 with the 343 , well they are 2499 but I would not call them a centenary.



    just a thought

    bill
     
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  8. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 3, 2014

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    They're still a bit small for my taste, my wrist looks like a leg of ham in anything under 35mm. I think that's going to be part of the difficulty for him in getting a premium price, its a more limited market that buys the smaller size 2499 rather than the 2500, and if you are you want a quality example at a reasonable price.
     
  9. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Jan 3, 2014

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    In the listing his extract from the OVDB has a colour picture of a watch, when I look at OVDB I see just a "Speedie" outline with "Picture not yet available".

    What's the go there?

    :cautious:
     
  10. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Jan 3, 2014

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    Typical of the OVDB, lots of missing information, including photos.
     
  11. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Jan 3, 2014

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    So is his extract "shopped"?
     
  12. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Jan 3, 2014

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    Omega is always revising the site, things seem to come and go on an irregular basis, makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  13. John R Smith Jan 4, 2014

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    No, I have come across the same thing. I print out an extract from the OVD with an illustration, I go back to the database a few weeks later and the picture has gone.
     
  14. M'Bob Jan 4, 2014

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    You are correct that the 28.10JUB was made in 2000 pieces, not 5000 as the listing states. But I would be curious as to why they could not be called a Centenary? I quote Desmond from his article:

    "The Calibre 343 “luxury Finish” chronometer
    movement (seen opposite below), of which
    only 5000 pieces were produced, was used
    in the second production of case 2499
    Centenary models as well as Seamaster and
    Automatic chronometers."

    M'Bob.
     
  15. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 4, 2014

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    Hi
    it's pretty simple. The Centenary was released for the 100 anniversary of Omega aka its Jubilee. That is why Omega produced these watches with the exclusive movement 30.10JUB for the ref 2500 and 28.10JUB for the ref 2499. The JUB designation stands for Jubilee ( to be used exclusively in this watch).



    how is that ?

    Good Hunting

    Bill Sohne
     
  16. M'Bob Jan 4, 2014

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    Interesting. So, extending that logic, the later cal. 333 Centenary with the word, "Centenary" engraved on the case back would not be a Centenary either, correct?

    M'Bob
     
  17. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 4, 2014

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    yup, a man has to have his standards .

    What at is a jubilee watch without the JUB marked movement?

    Personally I prefer 343 and 333 in screwback cases ...
     
  18. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 4, 2014

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    Hi

    if I remember correctly omega made 2000 28.10JUB AND 4000 30.10JUB and these movements were used exclusively in the Centenary .

    If I were to buy one, I would go for one with the JUB movement. I also place a higher value on the JUB powered models

    bill
     
  19. M'Bob Jan 4, 2014

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    This raises the interesting question regarding the standards of collectors vs. those of the watch company and the average consumer.

    If Omega puts a cal. 333 in a ref. 2500 and calls it a Centenary, and engraves same on the back, I'm going to call it a Cententary; we can agree to disagree on that.

    Further, while I haven't seen all the ads for the Centenary from ca. 1948, many never mention the movement, and in fact denote it by it's appearance - hands, case, dial, buckle, etc. So, I would guess a consumer at the time would believe they were buying a Centenary, regardless of what movement powered it. As they say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
     
  20. Bill Sohne Bill @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 4, 2014

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    Hi bob

    The Centenary was a special watch to mark Omega's 100th anniversary. it was the first introduction of a automatic bumper chronometre from Omega. That is why the movement 30.10JUB / 28.10JUB was special and limited and exclusive to that model. I am not saying the 343 or 333 is low grade , it. Is deluxe execution bumper chronometre movement with omega system regulation , but it was not the 1st bumper chronometre movement from Omega. Also if you look at the 125th anniversary model waste Speedy 125 ( first triple register w date automatic chronograph w chronometre cert , it also sports the largest man made mineral crystal at the time ). Caliber 1021 , Movement based on 5100. You can get other omegas with 1022 but it's not the same.

    Bob, I am a simple Omega collector, been collecting for a long time. I will see if I can find a ad if that would help you in better understanding that model. On another note with respect to Desmond, I would say the exact same thing to him.



    Good Hunting

    Bill Sohne