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I would question this watch.....

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Unrelated to the watch, but I wish latest extracts were this detailed too, I received one and it was pretty much - "yes this watch is Omega" 😁

Since this extract is from 2010, I guess so so much could've happened in between
 
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Case looks like this (and movement looks like what I would expect in this too)…

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…which is a caliber 2220 (and not caliber 2210) as seen by the finish (it’s rhodium plated) and the incabloc shock protection on the balance wheel bridge.

Here is a Lemania caliber 2210 for reference…


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Notice the finish, and lack of spring protecting balance wheel jewel.

Here is a Lemania caliber 2220 for reference.

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Assuming that is just an Omega clone of Lemania (like most vintage Omega movements) the case and movement are what I would expect if the dial were Lemania signed. Clearly they hadn’t started renaming calibers yet. Also it’s worth mentioning that that extract is from the ‘dubious’ period…I would question the extract. But as usual, my opinion is worth what was paid for it 😀

Edit : humble apologies, dyslexia must have kicked in … 2210 - > 2220 -> 2221 🤦 …
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Bill Sohne
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Hi @eugeneandresson

The RCAF watch in the auction, I question the case.... and the caseback engravings . The major difference between the 2220 and 2221 the 2221 has hack feature.

here is a post from 2008 from Don Aldo .... on watchpro ....

https://www.watchprosite.com/omega/...by-dumb-luck-and-a-gamble/677.462731.2774401/

Also the issue HA 60 is a 36 mm steel screwback symmetrical round case with 18 mm lugs.... the HA 62 is the same symmetrical case design but in a 38 mm round case with 20 mm lugs...

What is the in auction is a asymmetrical case with crown guards " bells are going off ".... and this is not an inexpensive watch... I also quickly chatted with Darren Crabb and we are hoping no one gets burned on this one...

Good Hunting
Bill Sohne




eugeneandresson eugeneandresson
Case looks like this (and movement looks like what I would expect in this too)…

upload_2021-9-12_1-35-21.jpeg


…which is a caliber 2220 (and not caliber 2210) as seen by the finish (it’s rhodium plated) and the incabloc shock protection on the balance wheel bridge.

Here is a Lemania caliber 2210 for reference…


upload_2021-9-12_1-43-12.jpeg


Notice the finish, and lack of spring protecting balance wheel jewel.

Here is a Lemania caliber 2220 for reference.

upload_2021-9-12_1-48-10.jpeg


Assuming that is just an Omega clone of Lemania (like most vintage Omega movements) the case and movement are what I would expect if the dial were Lemania signed. Clearly they hadn’t started renaming calibers yet. Also it’s worth mentioning that that extract is from the ‘dubious’ period…I would question the extract. But as usual, my opinion is worth what was paid for it 😀
 
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I think that the document is a forgery. No one who is a professional ever uses underline in a certificate. Only saw some very very few in an image search.

I have also never seen "Lémania" with the accented "e", either.

But I am not an expert.
 
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I wonder do Omega keep a copy of the extracts that they issue, that could be double checked against?

I saw a fake Omega chronograph in a 'Lemania like' asymmetric case like that a couple of years ago in a UK bricks and mortar auction house. I informed them that it was dubious but if I remember correctly I don't think they pulled it. Anyway, what I am saying is that isn't the first dodgy Omega in that type of case.
 
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Just another Mix-Not Match example. These NOS cases were for sale a few years ago. Quite cheap. Watchco was one of the sellers. No engravings. Quite unique with the inner cover and the back is not screw in, but screw over. Henry's auctions are not the sharpest tool in the tool shed. Many misrepresentations in the last 20 plus years...... Kind regards. Achim
 
Dan S
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The case-back is the strangest part for me. Look how thick it is, and how it screws onto the mid-case. I guess @RCAFBuster would know.
 
Bill Sohne
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Dan S Dan S
The case-back is the strangest part for me. Look how thick it is, and how it screws onto the mid-case. I guess @RCAFBuster would know.
Hi Dan

I have also chatted with Darren.... As I said before I would not spend my money on that watch.

I my opinion the case is not correct .

The OMEGA 2221 is a uncommon hacking two register chronograph that was used in these RCAF watches.....

We will talk about this watch tomorrow for sure...

What is really sad here .... This was a hot topic of conversation back in 2008 ... and now in 2021 alot of the correct info is being lost ... or its not being found by google .... so we need give it a " BUMP" so to speak.

Good Hunting
Bill
 
Bill Sohne
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Hi Guys

Here is a old pic of my example..... I sent a fac to John at Omega back in June of 1999... I had this one for awhile !

RCAF_Omega.jpg

best
bill
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The case-back is the strangest part for me. Look how thick it is, and how it screws onto the mid-case. I guess @RCAFBuster would know.

That case back or correct for the first batch of my lemania mil. Chronos . But definitely not for the RCAF version, which was later . Search for Lemania mil. Chronos and you will find the watches. The back does not screw" into "the middle case. The leading case thread of the middle case is applied to an outside protruding part of the case middle and the case back screws "over" the middle and has these rounded shape closing segments. Not square as normal.
 
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Hi

look at the email I just got ! I can’t make this up!

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Dan S
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That case back or correct for the first batch of my lemania mil. Chronos . But definitely not for the RCAF version, which was later . Search for Lemania mil. Chronos and you will find the watches. The back does not screw" into "the middle case. The leading case thread of the middle case is applied to an outside protruding part of the case middle and the case back screws "over" the middle and has these rounded shape closing segments. Not square as normal.

Very interesting. I will keep my eyes open for these early cases. I am only familiar with the more traditional version.

lemania_6bb_back.jpg lemania_6bb.jpg
 
watchyouwant
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To update this: that early case back in mil. Lemanias belongs only to symmetric cases.
 
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Dan S Dan S
Very interesting. I will keep my eyes open for these early cases. I am only familiar with the more traditional version.

lemania_6bb_back.jpg lemania_6bb.jpg

Btw: search MWR for old mil. Lemania threads regarding the issue Timeline.
 
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Dan S Dan S
The case-back is the strangest part for me. Look how thick it is, and how it screws onto the mid-case. I guess @RCAFBuster would know.
The extract proves the Lemania 2221 Movement was used in a RCAF Omega. Dial and hands (relumed) look okay.

Case is British and the caseback engraving is faked. This is not a RCAF Omega.

Cheers,

Buster
 
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The extract proves the Lemania 2221 Movement was used in a RCAF Omega. Dial and hands (relumed) look okay.

Case is British and the caseback engraving is faked. This is not a RCAF Omega.

Cheers,

Buster

These are proper RCAF Omega Cases.
RCAF Omega 6 pck.jpg
 
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Not good..... 5 X Omega RCAF ?? Unfair. No wonder, they have to fake them. You have them all.....
Hi Achim, Actually 6 in the phots, hehe.
 
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