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  1. flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 17, 2014

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    Hi

    So this is nice....really nice & so it should be for the asking price:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291327820825?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:ITPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    However , I requested some further pictures from the Seller....and:

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    The handset has 'lost' it age from what I can see....look at the chrono spear hand , minute hand & tip of the hour hand.

    And those 516 end links have shrunk in the wash too !

    Of course I am not sure which are the before & after shots ???

    Best - Neil
     
  2. daswunschkind Dec 17, 2014

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    That's an hard one. Something happened to the end links, that may make one suspicious. (strange...)
    But I would say that it is the same watch. Attached you find the pic from ebay.
     
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  3. sulaco Dec 17, 2014

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    Maybe those are No 6 endlinks now, would b a benefit for the buyer ;-)
     
  4. Slevin kelevra Dec 17, 2014

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    Interesting.....
     
  5. JohnSteed Dec 17, 2014

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    Neil

    Must be different watches which can occur when wrong pic inadvertently uploaded?

    Ebay shows 516 ELs ...

    ::popcorn::
     
  6. flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 17, 2014

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    Evening Mr Steed

    What do you think now....Seller tells me they are exactly the same Watch and nothing has been changed :confused:

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    Best - Neil
     
  7. JohnSteed Dec 17, 2014

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    That's the pic I saw as well. Though it shows some gap, the gap further above seems bigger but may merely be more pronounced as its magnified ... :thumbsdown:

    Suspect way too much polishing of the lugs but wow, if that's the case, the guy must dozed off .... Still puzzling, that gap
     
  8. cristos71 Dec 17, 2014

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    Looks like trimmed 516´s to me, down to possibly 18mm

    Could be a case of `swapsy` :D
     
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  9. Slevin kelevra Dec 17, 2014

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    It does look like a pretty cool watch bar the miniature end links!
     
  10. JohnSteed Dec 17, 2014

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    IMHO seller making this difficult. There's usually a reason but something certainly isn't right here

    There's gotta be a reason for he gap. Heck it's still on IF no change in lug size but I can't determine ... if it's only the end links
     
  11. cristos71 Dec 17, 2014

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    There doesn´t appear to me to be any problem with the case.

    If you look at the end of the bracelet it is clearly wider than the endlinks and also the correct width for the width between the lugs. The issue is the swapped and trimmed 516´s
     
  12. flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 17, 2014

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    Hi

    and someone has done something with that handset too....I preferred the aged set....although I have no idea which setup you would actually receive....which put me off as what else would get 'swapped' ?

    Best - Neil
     
  13. cristos71 Dec 17, 2014

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    Hands could have just been cleaned, or of course touched up. To me not a big deal if disclosed/done well. Have you specifically asked about the end link missing millimetres?
     
  14. flame Speedmaster Neil Dec 17, 2014

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    Hi C

    Let's not forget this is a pretty expensive 145.022-68....so it needs to be really good to command this sort of money....anyway:

    My query:
    "the end pieces are not the same....compare the picture attached with your ebay listing photo number 1 & 2....the fit is very different !

    The Handset patina does not look the same to me either....chrono spear hand and minute hand aged areas plus the tip of the hour hand.

    Do you have the original source pictures uploaded to ebay for listing pictures 1 & 2 please....I can then compare again."


    The Sellers reply:
    "I assure you that the watch is 100% original and has never changed anything at all if you want more you step photos as you want and if you do not like or you do not care nothing happens"

    Best - Neil
     
  15. cristos71 Dec 17, 2014

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    My answer was purely based on the watch. The price I find, to put it politely, a little on the high side :eek:

    Regarding the seller´s answer......I think you already know enough there ;)
     
  16. bill5959 Dec 17, 2014

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    Agreed. This never ends well for the buyer.
     
  17. repoman Dec 17, 2014

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    Cameras can play tricks... a small angle change, different lighting, etc.. But, I just can't get over that end link gap in one pic, and no gap whatsoever in the other. I would agree the watch looks to be the same in each pic ( a few distinct marks on the bezel are the same in both pics), but the end links look to have been changed, and possibly the hands cleaned up a bit, although I'm less confident of that. If I was a potential buyer, I would ask for more pics, higher resolution, in good lighting. There are some doubts here, but this is where the some decide to boldly go where no buyer has gone before. Good luck.
     
  18. timeismoney Dec 17, 2014

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    :cautious:...
     
  19. pitpro Likes the game. Dec 22, 2014

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    Someone has been really messing with this bracelet.
    Last link in hinge side of clasp cover on backwards.
    Only 20 links out of 26 for full bracelet.
    At least 4 of the Stretch links are gone.
    And the tabs on the 516's don't look correct.(filed maybe or worse)
    Not to mention the short endlinks.
    Replace 516 endlinks, $225., if you can find them.
    Replace stretch links, $35. x4 = $140.
    So $265. to make the bracelet right.