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samkl
·How does this 1969 Omega Genève look? Any signs of a redial or franken?
Thanks In advanced!
Thanks In advanced!
How is this Omega Genève?
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Spruce
··Sunburst dial fanAt first sight it looks fine to me.
So far as the movement is concerned, the different colours of the parts merely suggests to me that it’s been serviced by a repairer with access to the correct parts and the rotor (and other parts) may have been replaced. That wouldn’t make it a franken.
The real questions I have are:
1. What do you think, and
2. Is it your watch or are you thinking of buying it - in which case, what price is the seller asking?
This is a photo of one of my 565s for you to compare.
So far as the movement is concerned, the different colours of the parts merely suggests to me that it’s been serviced by a repairer with access to the correct parts and the rotor (and other parts) may have been replaced. That wouldn’t make it a franken.
The real questions I have are:
1. What do you think, and
2. Is it your watch or are you thinking of buying it - in which case, what price is the seller asking?
This is a photo of one of my 565s for you to compare.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Well the rotor is a completely different colour to the rest if the movement. While that may be suggestive of repair and necessary parts replacement, a colour match would be preferable so I can’t say I like that.
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samkl
·At first sight it looks fine to me.
So far as the movement is concerned, the different colours of the parts merely suggests to me that it’s been serviced by a repairer with access to the correct parts and the rotor (and other parts) may have been replaced. That wouldn’t make it a franken.
The real questions I have are:
1. What do you think, and
2. Is it your watch or are you thinking of buying it - in which case, what price is the seller asking?
This is a photo of one of my 565s for you to compare.
I like it a lot especially since the dial is in good condition. Did notice the rotor colour but thought it might be just the photo. Have ordered it for around 350£. Planning to do a full service, maybe I should replace the rotor to match the colour more.
Thanks
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SkunkPrince
·Well the rotor is a completely different colour to the rest if the movement. While that may be suggestive of repair and necessary parts replacement, a colour match would be preferable so I can’t say I like that.
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janice&fred
·I recall a discussion a while back where Archer felt differences in color match in movement components isn't a concern. Most collectors I know along with myself agree.
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFI’d rather have a rotor that was the wrong color, than a rotor with a worn bearing that was starting to rub against the caseback and getting a new one is a better option than trying to find an old one the same color that isn’t worn.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!That the circle is on the rotor implies it is a replacement. Whether that matters is an exercise for the student.
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Dan S
·I’m not sure I follow, I’ve never seen a 565 rotor without the circle. Are they all replacements?
That's my understanding, but I'd be interested in hearing informed opinions.
With respect to other comments above, it would probably be more trouble and expense than it's worth to replace it with a copper colored rotor. Not something I would worry about, especially for an entry-level piece like this. It's a correct authentic Omega rotor.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerYes, the circle indicates a replacement as far as I know.
Back when these were current movements, one of the selling points of this design was that the entire automatic unit could be removed just by removing a few screws. Omega sold complete automatic units for watchmakers to just bolt in place, so they didn’t have to be bothered with the disassembly of the unit, disassembly of the winding wheel, servicing of all that, and replacement of the rotor pinion.m
Remember at this time watchmakers were likely getting about $5 for an overhaul, so anything to save time was a huge asset.
Another thing to keep in mind is that lighting can have a huge effect on what these parts look like. In my own servicing photos, I’ve seen shots of movements that are all the same colour in real life, look very mismatched depending on the way the lighting is hitting the movement. Not saying that is the case here, but sometimes photos don’t reflect reality very well.
Back when these were current movements, one of the selling points of this design was that the entire automatic unit could be removed just by removing a few screws. Omega sold complete automatic units for watchmakers to just bolt in place, so they didn’t have to be bothered with the disassembly of the unit, disassembly of the winding wheel, servicing of all that, and replacement of the rotor pinion.m
Remember at this time watchmakers were likely getting about $5 for an overhaul, so anything to save time was a huge asset.
Another thing to keep in mind is that lighting can have a huge effect on what these parts look like. In my own servicing photos, I’ve seen shots of movements that are all the same colour in real life, look very mismatched depending on the way the lighting is hitting the movement. Not saying that is the case here, but sometimes photos don’t reflect reality very well.
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TexOmega
·Heavy manipulated pictures by the seller, so beware when in hand.
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AtomicGrog
·I’m not sure I follow, I’ve never seen a 565 rotor without the circle. Are they all replacements?
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Spruce
··Sunburst dial fanThree further comments.
First, the fact that the rotor may have been changed suggests to me that the watch was properly cared for, serviced and generally looked after and, as a consequence,
Second, £350 is a good price for a nice automatic 565 Omega.
Third, I wouldn’t rush into having it serviced (and certainly wouldn’t change the rotor) but I’d wear it for a while and enjoy it and see how it runs.
First, the fact that the rotor may have been changed suggests to me that the watch was properly cared for, serviced and generally looked after and, as a consequence,
Second, £350 is a good price for a nice automatic 565 Omega.
Third, I wouldn’t rush into having it serviced (and certainly wouldn’t change the rotor) but I’d wear it for a while and enjoy it and see how it runs.
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samkl
·Three further comments.
First, the fact that the rotor may have been changed suggests to me that the watch was properly cared for, serviced and generally looked after and, as a consequence,
Second, £350 is a good price for a nice automatic 565 Omega.
Third, I wouldn’t rush into having it serviced (and certainly wouldn’t change the rotor) but I’d wear it for a while and enjoy it and see how it runs.
thanks for the reply!
Movement seems to look very good and dial looks in good shape without signs of obvious redial which is the main thing. Going to wear it a lot before doing anything to it. Was mainly going to polish / replace crystal and potentially polish case
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watch_er
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI’m not sure I follow, I’ve never seen a 565 rotor without the circle. Are they all replacements?[/QUOTE
Any rotor with the circle is a replacement, yes.
Omega had different designs. The early rotors were more ornate in their design, like this one:
The shape near the pinion is more ornate, there is a raised boss at the hole, and the whole thing is more fancy. Here is a replacement version of that design:
The newer versions are less ornate, and more "flat" in their design, like this:
If you were to order a replacement today, this is what you would get.
Cheers, Al
