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KeithS
·Nice write up and macro shots! "Cernan" seems like an appropriate nickname. We'll see if it sticks.
Hot Takes: Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 “Ed White”/“Cernan” in Stainless Steel (2020)
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I think I’ll stick to New Ed White (abbreviating nicely to NEW) or Ed White Reissue but full marks for being creative. I’ll do you a shot of the earlier sapphire logo when I get a sec.
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Fabollse
·Thank you for this quality post!
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ReturnOfUltraman
·Nice job! Really like the pictures, and especially the micro-shot of the logo on the sapphire crystal.
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toolr
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Crunchie
·“If you can get one for free or 1/2 price, there is no question you should”?
I’ll bear that in mind next time someone offers me a free Omega...
I’ll bear that in mind next time someone offers me a free Omega...
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bruin20
·Why are the lumed hour markers so off to one side in the dial macro shots? Is it just because of how they are manufactured?
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GadgetGuy88
·Thanks for the very nice write up and the photography, too. It's hard not to be excited about the watch! I mean really, folks, it wasn't but a couple of years ago we were all lamenting about how Omega would never ever bother to produce c.321 movements. The movement was now with Richemont (e.g., Brueget) and so on and so on... I was convinced it would never happen and feared my life would be filled with dull moments to the point that an Hour Vision watch would be all to excite me.
Enjoy the Cernan!
Enjoy the Cernan!
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Caliber561
·In regard to the subject of "faux" patina, an alternative argument against the use of the moniker here may be that contemporary Omega watches simply had creamy lume from birth, as we found out in this thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/deb...red-lume-since-new.107400/page-4#post-1413637
Nice review! I hope that someday I may be able to add the "Cernan" to my collection as well.
Nice review! I hope that someday I may be able to add the "Cernan" to my collection as well.
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cvalue13
·I think I’ll stick to New Ed White (abbreviating nicely to NEW) or Ed White Reissue but full marks for being creative. I’ll do you a shot of the earlier sapphire logo when I get a sec.
“New Ed White”/“NEW 321B”is a great contender; I’m willing to get behind whatever makes more sense than the current leaders
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toolr
·Not sure about a second watch worn, but this one was on display at the Naval air museum in Pensacola, Florida in 2014. Note the "Speedmaster Professional" on dial. The Ed White did not have "Professional"on the dial so I think that's why it's referred to as such.
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cvalue13
·Im not following the question, sorry; could you say a bit more/different?
EDIT: maybe I do follow, but hope you’ll let me know if I miss.
If viewed from directly above, the lume indices are perfectly rectangular. This overhead view, though, obscures the 0.05mm step-down in the dial. Viewed at other certain angles, the 0.05mm step-down appears to make the lume “jog” over. It’s like taking a beach towel, and laying it flat down a flight of steps.
But perhaps your question was something altogether different.
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cvalue13
·In regard to the subject of "faux" patina, an alternative argument against the use of the moniker here may be that contemporary Omega watches simply had creamy lume from birth
I’ve followed those conversations and find it compelling; thanks for adding to the thread
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Vogelphoenix
·Excellent write-up! Can't wait to get mine, although it won't be free (or half-price).
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64Wing
·Nice write-up. I think I'd simply call it the Bravo. (Phonetic 'B') this way nobody has to deal with the underlying feelings of guilt calling it an Ed White when (as seems to be a majority opinion) the only real Ed White is a vintage one. Calling it the Cernan (in my own opinion) sort of hints at it being vintage, but also Gene wore two different references so could be a toss-up as to which you are referring.
Just my $0.02. I enjoyed your line of thinking and especially the photos!
Just my $0.02. I enjoyed your line of thinking and especially the photos!
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cvalue13
·although it won't be free (or half-price).
I’ll bear that in mind next time someone offers me a free Omega...
well, “for free” was on my wishlist; along with several other things Omega also doesn’t care about. And at free the Cernan is a must buy.
And now the cal.3861 sapphire Speedy is 1/2 the cost of the Cernan 321B. If they were the same price, I’d suggest everyone still choose the Cernan.
But at twice the price of the cal.3861 sapphire, it’s not a must buy; it’s a personal decision, with everyone having good reasons to buy or not buy it.
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cvalue13
·but also Gene wore two different references so could be a toss-up as to which you are referring.
Just for fun, because no one really cares: there’s no tossup!
This reference is not vintage; this is a modern reference that is noticeable for having been built, designed, and borne from Cernan’s personal watch.
If we put an Apollo 11 patch in the sub-seconds dial, we call it an Apollo 11 watch. But when we take an astronaut’s watch and use it to regenerate a watch not produced in decades, we don’t call it his watch? We call it another astronaut’s watch?! That can’t be right.
This isn’t the first Omega in outer space (the Ed White); this watch is the last Speedy on the Moon (the Cernan).
BTW, the second Cernan watch is a head fake. Hear me out. That second watch was NASA’s watch, external on the suit; Cernan’s watch he wore inside the suit, and to the supermarket. Then Omega used that exact watch to both recreate the cal.321 movement (using magic), and design the reference watch around it.
I’m just glad there’s some agreement that the dogs breakfast of nicknames to date are clumsy.
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johnny5
·Incredible write up. I envy your way with words. I think the nickname Cernan could be good, he was a hero and a great astronaut. Omega actually removed the Ed White name and connection on the website and marketing material without explanation some time ago. I assume, that Ed White’s estate requested it removed, for whatever reason. Per your request for photos, here are a few of mine.
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bruin20
·Im not following the question, sorry; could you say a bit more/different?
EDIT: maybe I do follow, but hope you’ll let me know if I miss.
If viewed from directly above, the lume indices are perfectly rectangular. This overhead view, though, obscures the 0.05mm step-down in the dial. Viewed at other certain angles, the 0.05mm step-down appears to make the lume “jog” over. It’s like taking a beach towel, and laying it flat down a flight of steps.
But perhaps your question was something altogether different.
I’m referring to the 9 and 10 hour markers under macro. They seem to be closer to the 44 and 49 minute markers and to the 46 and 51 minute markers. As if the dial was rotated 1 to 2 degrees between printing the white portions and printing the cream portions.
