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  1. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Dec 18, 2015

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    I've been searching the last 3 days for info on the bracelet that come with the '67 Speedmaster I just picked up. There are no numbers stamped on the clasp or end links. My best guess is a Holzer Jubilee, but I have been unable to find much info on these (most old threads are missing the photos). 'J/M' is stamped on the clasp, which is about the only marking besides Omega and the material stamp. The bracelet is very light, so I am assuming hollow links like an 1171. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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  2. wsfarrell Dec 18, 2015

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    The Holzers I've seen say "Holzer" on them, as well as "Hecho en Mexico." There are claims that the J/M bracelets are Holzers, but massive web searching has turned up no direct evidence of that for me. They look very similar, but I haven't even been able to find what "J/M" means.
     
  3. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Dec 18, 2015

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    Does Moonwatch Only cover bracelets?
     
  4. flyingout Dec 19, 2015

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    It does
     
  5. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Dec 19, 2015

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    From MWO
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  6. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Dec 19, 2015

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    Thanks! Sure looks like mine, but the J/M remains a mystery.
     
  7. wsfarrell Dec 19, 2015

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    Thanks, very helpful. Now I'll be able to polish it correctly. And yes, J/M is still a mystery..
     
  8. jud Dec 20, 2015

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    Cool bracelet.
     
  9. wsfarrell Dec 20, 2015

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    GOT IT!!! (I think.)

    In 1867 Julius Joske founded a department store in San Antonio, Texas. By the 1950's it was the largest store in Texas, and by some accounts, the largest in the country. It was also a Rolex authorized dealer. Joske's had Rolex jubilee bracelets made for them in Mexico in the '60s and '70s. Here's a pic:

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    Note the "MJ-01." Might be a stretch, but I'm thinking that could mean "Mexico Joske's model 01." Here's another picture:

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    BINGO! Here we have the elusive J/M, which I strongly suspect means "Joske's/Mexico."

    I have no evidence that Joske's sold Omega watches, but it sure seems likely to me.
     
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  10. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Dec 20, 2015

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    Nice detective work!
     
  11. blubarb Oct 24, 2017

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    My understanding is that Holzer made Omega bracelets in their Mexico factory under licence. Omega exported many of their watches to Mexico, ostensibly to avoid export duties, and once there a Mexican-made bracelet was added. In doing so, it was considered a partially domestic manufacture and minimised the taxes and of course this made the watch more affordable. I believe that Holzer made the Jubilee style bracelet specifically for the Omega Speedmasters sold through Joske's of Texas Department store and was designated the stamp J/M.


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  12. blubarb Nov 9, 2017

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    Mitsukoshi on a Holzer made J/M for Omega stamped clasp

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  13. wsfarrell Nov 9, 2017

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    Sweet.
     
  14. boltman Nov 11, 2017

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    Wow. Would pay for that. Grail watch
     
  15. chelismonasterio Jun 22, 2020

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    Hi, this post was really helpful!
    ! I received today my Flightmaster first execution delivered to Mexico in 1969. and the bracelet is the same as yours with flat ends, also stamped J/M inside the clasp.I will upload some pictures asap
     
  16. chelismonasterio Jun 23, 2020

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    My Flightmaster with the Joskes / Mexico bracelet
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  17. chelismonasterio Jun 23, 2020

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    and clasp detail[​IMG]
     
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