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  1. John R Smith Nov 28, 2013

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    Here is an interesting watch for sale. It's an early Seamaster date-at-six, ref 2627, with a stainless steel case and dial which look remarkably fresh for the movement date of 1949 -

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    You will note that the dial has no lume, but the correct early square date window. The hands and dial show no patina whatsoever, and the hour markers at the quarter positions are big gold arrowheads like a Constellation (remembering that there were no Constellations in 1949). The condition of the case is more like it had been stored in a drawer rather than ever been worn.

    But then we come to the movement, which is correctly a cal 353, and we note that it looks quite rough by comparison. The plating looks a bit patchy. Also, it is an American import (see the OXG and 'unadjusted' marks).

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    What do you chaps make of this one? Is it some sort of Franken, or is it genuine?
     
  2. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 28, 2013

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    In my opinion, it is a frankenwatch Here's why:

    1. Coloring isn't uniform. While this sometimes happens with harshly cleaned movements, when it happens in conjunction with 2. below, then I have some doubts.

    2. The serial number is too low. The lowest serial number I've seen on the cal. 353 is around 12.5MM. Good chance this bridge came from a 351, 352 or possibly a 33X or 34X movement. I think all would fit a cal. 353.

    3. Not sure about the dial. Could be a refinish or could be a service dial.

    It's a shame, as the case looks to be very sharp, which is rare for this model.
    gatorcpa
     
  3. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    The case seems to be a WatchCo NOS
     
  4. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Nov 28, 2013

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    Didn't think about that. That ties in nicely with the service dial possibility.
    gatorcpa
     
  5. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Like this one

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  6. John R Smith Nov 28, 2013

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    Yes, even the spring bars are the same rifle-bolt type.
     
  7. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Sure it is
     
  8. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Agree with this. I think the movement can be made from different movements.



    I think the serial number is fine for a 353. I´ve also seen 353 with 13MM. What I´m not sure is if 13.5 would be correct.

    Edit: I didn´t read well, you´re right with what you said. Movement should be at least 12.5MM


    I think it can be cleaned or refinished dial, but not a service one. A front picture would reveal that.
    Take a look of how a WatchCo service dial looks like, specially on the "S":

    355 (003).JPG
     
  9. John R Smith Nov 28, 2013

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    Yes, and this dial just has "Swiss", not "Swiss Made". Which does fit nicely with a USA movement.
     
  10. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Do you a have a front picture of the dial?
     
  11. John R Smith Nov 28, 2013

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    No, the seller's pictures avoid that angle ;)
     
  12. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Ha;)
     
  13. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    I think the crown is also incorrect.
    If we assume the watch is from before 1953 (based on the date window) the crown shouldn´t be the clover style.
     
  14. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Nov 28, 2013

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    Watchco had several 2627 cases and service dials for sale a few months ago. This is probably a situation where a vintage movement was put into a new case.
     
  15. Mathlar Nov 28, 2013

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    What little I can see of the first Seamaster "S", I don't like. It's neither the very angular coat hanger introduced in the later 50s, nor the more curvy coat hanger we see on earlier examples.

     
  16. John R Smith Nov 28, 2013

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    I think that this 2627 calendar is a Franken just like my gardening watch, but the seller (with a feedback of 9) is pretending not to know that :thumbsdown:
     
  17. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    It is franken for sure, but it has nothing to do with your gardening watch. Your´s is much nicer, with all correct parts.
     
  18. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    If you´re talking about the Watchco dial and not the OP
    Yes I meant the first "S"
    Note that this Watcho dial is a later service dial, not from the 50´s, maybe 60´s, that´s why it hash´t the coat hanger "S"
     
  19. Tritium Nov 28, 2013

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    Does anyone knows if this model also came with blue second hand?
    Looks nice but I´ve never seen before.
     
  20. ulackfocus Nov 28, 2013

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    The 2627 and 2757 were both introduced around 1952 with square date windows. Some time in 1953 Omega switched to the trapezoid windows. As mentioned by the InvestiGator, the serial number is several years too low. It should be closer to 13 million or above. Tritium grabbed the picture of the service dial and noted the capital S in Seamaster is too wide and curvy, a font from post 1962 Seamasters, which is an obvious tell if it were a real service replacement. It's a very good quality redial and those home plate shaped markers did come on those watches. The hands are probably replacements too. Tritium also is correct about the WatchCo cases - 5 or 6 different listings sold for between $119 and $138 (or about those prices) 6-ish weeks ago.

    Verdict:

    Frankenstein.jpg


    However, it would be a nice wearable watch if bought for under $500….. although I'd bet the seller is trying to fetch much more.