Hidden treasure: Rectangular gold case Omega ref 3977

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Hi everyone,

As some of you may know about it, I was in constant search for my dad's Omega;

I've always thought that my father also had an Omega watch but this was a mere thought until my uncle told me the story of how his watch dealer called my dad one afternoon to inform him about the availability of a vintage Omega with all its original box etc and how they just jumped in my uncle's car to go & get it... The watch stayed in its box on my dad's -quite messy- study desk for a while, until my parents moved from their old apartment. Still couldn't find that particular piece despite finding more than 60 watches...

To be honest, I was just after the watch regardless of its condition; I was seeing in my dreams that my father and I were having long conversations about it. So I was merely chasing after the watch.

While organising his stuff, I've finally found it 😀 Very simply put, it's an Automatic ref 328275 3977 SC with cal 471 in18k solid gold case from late 1950s (serial 16xxxXXX). The part 328275 didn't get me anywhere so far and that's why I cut it short as 3977.

When I first held it, I noticed that the case was in beautiful shape with almost no polishing and still keeping its curves, so is the original signed glass and probably original crown (confirmation would be appreciated). However, the dial was in terrible condition with hands and some indexes removed and some "glued":



I've carefully installed the indexes and hands myself using my new watchmaker tools, curved the second hand which was touching the curved glass), cleaned up the terrible glue which was used to stick some indexes (I want to believe it wasn't my old man who would have done it to this piece 😁 ). Now it looks fairly better and is working, though keeping the time with significant error. The power reserve is still high, perhaps little less than its original 46h.

The photos and detailed reference no are all as in the pictures:



Could you be able to tell me more about the model and condition of this watch, as I've found very limited information on my Google and Omega catalogue searches?

It absolutely requires a service and, I'm afraid, re-dialing since I think the current colour (gold) of the dial is just the colour of the plate and not the original colour (also note the faded AUTOMATIC sign below Omega logo). What do you think about it?
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Lovely looking piece and in clean condition! Concerning the redial part, since it is you father's piece i would keep it original unless it really disturbs you as it is. Tbh it still looks very nice to my eyes👍
 
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Great heirloom.

328275, is the case serial number and 3977 is the model or reference number.

This would have had a low profile crown with regular serrations, the one on it currently is a Seamaster style crown and not appropriate for a dress model like this. Google the reference number and you should find examples with the correct style crown.

For me since the dial is in such poor condition a good refinish would be more desirable.
 
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Good functional dial repair. I would leave it as-is. It will then be both your Father's and yours.
 
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Thanks for your kind comments, guys. Very encouraging to hear these words from you.

Lovely looking piece and in clean condition! Concerning the redial part, since it is you father's piece i would keep it original unless it really disturbs you as it is. Tbh it still looks very nice to my eyes👍

Thanks a million for your valuable opinion, much appreciated! In fact, I'm an "originalist" to the bone, i.e. don't even remotely think about polishing etc. let alone redialing/repainting/refinishing, no matter how bad the dial looks. But in this case, I'm inclined to @X350 XJR idea. The thing is, I'm suspected that the delicate polish of the dial, which gives the dial its colour, text and all the print etc., is so eroded that now what we see is directly the plate of the dial, which remains unprotected. A good refinishing may give it the handsome look and protection the plate needs. But again, this is just an assumption based on my very limited knowledge about the piece.

Great heirloom.

328275, is the case serial number and 3977 is the model or reference number.

This would have had a low profile crown with regular serrations, the one on it currently is a Seamaster style crown and not appropriate for a dress model like this. Google the reference number and you should find examples with the correct style crown.

For me since the dial is in such poor condition a good refinish would be more desirable.

Amazing comment, thank you! Yes, the crown reminded me the design of a Seamaster which is why I was unsure. But somehow I think it makes a good match with the lugs and didn't seem too bad to me. With that being said, as a hardcore originalist, I will do my best to change it back to the original, if possible.
 
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Good functional dial repair. I would leave it as-is. It will then be both your Father's and yours.

You put it in such a perspective that it's really hard to object the argument 😀 But seriously, thank you so much for your suggestion, really helps make up my mind. Do you think that this is the apt look of the dial or that it looks just fine as-is, i.e. the print entirely gone?
 
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Heirloom status supersedes aesthetic considerations, in my humble opinion. If this were an eBay acquisition, my take would be different. But since it's Dad's, Hippocrates' advice prevails.
 
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Heirloom status supersedes aesthetic considerations, in my humble opinion. If this were an eBay acquisition, my take would be different. But since it's Dad's, Hippocrates' advice prevails.

Oh, I see what you mean! But I'm pretty sure that my dad would let a watchmaker work on this, which is why he kept the missing pieces in a box. He had a very busy mind and now the house is full of (really) thousands of watches and fountain pens to be repaired/serviced etc. So I wouldn't be offended if you treat this like a piece acquired on eBay.

There are some watches he personally gave me and I would keep as-is, though. But I don't think this is one of them.
 
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Awesome restoration to be honest, looks great

Hi everyone,
(I want to believe it wasn't my old man who would have done it to this piece 😁 )


I'm afraid my kids might think the same thoughts about my work 😁

I have some "just functional" behind the scenes work on not mechanical watches but mechanical keyboards 😀
 
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Great heirloom.

328275, is the case serial number and 3977 is the model or reference number.

This would have had a low profile crown with regular serrations, the one on it currently is a Seamaster style crown and not appropriate for a dress model like this. Google the reference number and you should find examples with the correct style crown.

For me since the dial is in such poor condition a good refinish would be more desirable.
 
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Good morning, sorry to crash like this but I need some help.
I just inherited an Omega vintage and I'm trying to get some information on it, like production year, model and market value (I do not intend to sell it).
The information on the internet is not clear.
Thanks in advanced for your time.
MR
 
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Good morning, sorry to crash like this but I need some help.
I just inherited an Omega vintage and I'm trying to get some information on it, like production year, model and market value (I do not intend to sell it).
The information on the internet is not clear.
Thanks in advanced for your time.
MR

Hi pal, I think you may need to open a new thread for your question as members are requested to ask questions for every watch under different threads.
 
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@Winston_Smith Glad you finally found it! Obviously I don't know what your Dad would have done, but I suspect he'd have given his blessing to whatever you decide to do with his (now your) watch and wouldn't have wanted you to feel conflicted.

The trouble with redials is that they tend to look like redials. Personally I'd look for a replacement dial and keep the original separately, assuming it is possible for this model which I know nothing about.

My Dad had a musical cigarette lighter which got broken and thrown away. It has sentimental associations for me and I've been watching ebay for 5 years in case one ever comes up. It won't ever be his lighter, but it'd mean something to me just the same. At least your Dad's watch would still basically be his watch.
 
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Hello OF, just reviving this old thread with a new question. I am based in London and considering to get this piece restored/TLCed at Omega. It will be quite a costly choice (minimum but possibly more than thrice of £590 considering any spare parts), I know. But although I am in one of global centres of watchmaking, I am struggling to find an available slot even to meet with vetted watchmakers in the UK. They all seem to be working exclusively with their existing customers. And I am reading mixed reviews about those based in Clerkenwell. Given the relative rarity of this watch (particularly re the case and the dial), not sure if it will be a worthy hustle to find a suitable watchmaker other than the Omega service. Any thoughts on this?
 
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Part of it comes back to what exactly you want done with the watch.

Sending to to Omega you will receive something close to a "new" watch, serviced but also polished and with a refinished dial, is this what you want? If not finding an independent to do only what you ask of them will be your better option.
 
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Part of it comes back to what exactly you want done with the watch.

Sending to to Omega you will receive something close to a "new" watch, serviced but also polished and with a refinished dial, is this what you want? If not finding an independent to do only what you ask of them will be your better option.

Thank you for your reply! Actually, I'm not sure what to expect what expect from the process because I still don't have a solid reference for how the watch should look like after, especially the dial. But given the condition of the dial, I am afraid readialling or a dial replacement will need to be involved. But polishing is definitely a no-go for me (hoping they would respect this choice if I insist at the Omega store, should I choose them). I would be glad to hear about less well-known suggestions for independent watchmakers in London, e.g., other than Simon Freese, Antique Watch Co., The Watch Guy etc. They all seem extremely busy.