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Hey you 'muricans ... get those Swiss watches pronto [tariffs and international trade]

Dan S
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And respectfully back this has gone well beyond tariffs a long time ago. Someone let out their thoughts on the idea of protections for Christian’s which has nothing to do with tariffs. I didn’t report or chastise them. But to pretend this thread is limited to tariffs is being dishonest. I stated nothing but the truth of what I dealt with and how I’m glad it’s improved
Well then, at least be honest. As pointed out earlier in the thread (with actual government data to back it up, not just your unsupported anecdotal claims), illegal immigration numbers dropped precipitously in October 2024, and have been flat since then. If you need to see the data again, I can find it for you. Maybe republican governors only stopped the busses recently, but the illegal immigration slowed months before the new administration was inaugurated.

I would really like to see this focus more on tariffs and trade. Again, if you want to discuss immigration, why not start your own thread. If this one occasionally veers away from the topic, let's not use that as an excuse, but try to bring it back to the topic.
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Well then, at least be honest. As pointed out earlier in the thread (with actual government data to back it up, not just your unsupported anecdotal claims), illegal immigration numbers dropped precipitously in October 2024, and have been flat since then. If you need to see the data again, I can find it for you. Maybe republican governors only stopped the busses recently, but the illegal immigration slowed months before the new administration was inaugurated.
If you feel the need go ahead I won’t stop or report you. There was such a backlog by Oct we were already screwed. I have chart after chart of both human and financial data I’d like to burn them all tbh
 
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If you feel the need go ahead I won’t stop or report you. There was such a backlog by Oct we were already screwed. I have chart after chart of both human and financial data I’d like to burn them all tbh
I already posted it on a previous page to correct the BS from another member. If you start a new thread on immigration, I will post it again there.
 
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I already posted it on a previous page to correct the BS from another member. If you start a new thread on immigration, I will post it again there.
Then this was all for naught
 
styggpyggeno1
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So no interest in Danner boots? Come from the same town as Leatherman.

Edit: we also export a lot of trees/lumber. A day doesn't go buy where I don't see a lumber truck. We have pretty great wine, too, although not cheap. Great beer.

And planes, although they have parts from all around the world and aren't made in my state.

Still, your point is taken.

No, I am letting my shoe-money go to RM Williams (Australia) and Crocket&Jones (England). But that has more to do with my personal taste and use. Danner is certainly a contender in the rugged style.

Wood - Sweden is fourth in line, after Canada, USA and Russia when it comes to exporting wood and woodbased products... If comparing the volume to country-size I guess we would be at the top.

We have our own aviation industry but as you say - I guess a lot of the parts are from all over.

edit... Wine (French and Italian), Beer - almost any but I do not believe the US beer has a very good reputation in the rest of the world. There are of course micro breweries that are nice everywhere but here we make jokes about canoes and US beer ;-)
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You need a good Drizabone jacket to go with RM Williams 😜

https://drizabone.com.au/products/special-edition-lumberjack-jacket-com2527-sandstone

No Tariffs 😉
Thanks mate! But I am in the Barbour corner.

edit... and I am sorry to say that RM W has started to slip. Looking at my 30-something years old Garderners compared to the ones they make today - something fishy is going on. I guess it started when the company was taken over by the fashion industry.
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Anyone see the reporting that big box stores staged a bit of an intervention earlier this week. Several news agencies covered, but I pulled this from Axios. I'm curious to know we were/are really that close to major disruptions. I've seen smaller manufacturers that I follow saying they have finished products sitting in China and they're unwilling to ship to the states due to the potential import costs.
The CEOs of three of the nation's biggest retailers — Walmart, Target and Home Depot — privately warned him that his tariff and trade policy could disrupt supply chains, raise prices and empty shelves, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

"The big box CEOs flat out told him [Trump] the prices aren't going up, they're steady right now, but they will go up. And this wasn't about food. But he was told that shelves will be empty," an administration official familiar with the meeting told Axios.

Another official briefed on the meeting said the CEOs told Trump disruptions could become noticeable in two weeks.
 
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... There are of course micro breweries that are nice everywhere but here we make jokes about canoes and US beer ;-)

Now this thread is getting nasty!

You know the canoe came from the USA? Birch bark canoes were made in New England and spread. They're an amazing craft, can be paddled by one person through rapids or on open water. Ever see a 25 foot canoe? The upper border of Minnesota and Canada is the old voyageur fur trapper route. They used the route often because all the lakes connected and allowed short portages, which eventually became part of our national heritage as a boundary. The canoe has many shapes, often associated with different tribes who made and used them. Cedar canoes are a work of art. I thought Swedes knew boats, sorry to hear it's not true. 😉
 
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Now this thread is getting nasty!

You know the canoe came from the USA? Birch bark canoes were made in New England and spread. They're an amazing craft, can be paddled by one person through rapids or on open water. Ever see a 25 foot canoe? The upper border of Minnesota and Canada is the old voyageur fur trapper route. They used the route often because all the lakes connected and allowed short portages, which eventually became part of our national heritage as a boundary. The canoe has many shapes, often associated with different tribes who made and used them. Cedar canoes are a work of art. I thought Swedes knew boats, sorry to hear it's not true. 😉

Although Minnesota is known for some good canoes, I'd say most of the best are probably Canadian. If I was going to purchase a new Canoe tomorrow it would be a Swift with zero questions asked.
 
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Although Minnesota is known for some good canoes, I'd say most of the best are probably Canadian. If I was going to purchase a new Canoe tomorrow it would be a Swift with zero questions asked.
Then you're missing out...

http://www.birchbarkcanoe.net/

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Aha... The gloves are off!!

Swedes do know boats and that is why we go for a kayak over a canoe. The beer part being the same though...

 
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kayak over a canoe

See, this is a proper thread derailment... as derailed as the average kayak becomes when it has to do anything other than entertain someone for a couple of hours on the water.
😉
 
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See, this is a proper thread derailment... as derailed as the average kayak becomes when it has to do anything other than entertain someone for a couple of hours on the water.
😉

Try doing a comeback from this in a canoe.


I actually like canoes too. But where I do my paddling/rowing the seas are too rough for them. This is my traditional Swedish rowing boat:

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The thread needed to be derailed a bit and I do like to do that - but I would like to get back to my question (a page back):

When the orange fellow speaks about the trade balance - what goods does he think he can sell in the rest of the world? That competes in quality and/or price? Take note that he has never discussed anything other than goods. Tariffs on services has not been up for debate yet (the EU has that on the agenda though - if it comes to full on trade war).
 
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The thread needed to be derailed a bit and I do like to do that - but I would like to get back to my question (a page back):

When the orange fellow speaks about the trade balance - what goods does he think he can sell in the rest of the world? That competes in quality and/or price? Take note that he has never discussed anything other than goods. Tariffs on services has not been up for debate yet (the EU has that on the agenda though - if it comes to full on trade war).
He keeps bringing up manufacturing but never talks about the amount of services the US exports. That's a huge number that he never brings up.
 
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He keeps bringing up manufacturing but never talks about the amount of services the US exports. That's a huge number that he never brings up.

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Dan S
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He keeps bringing up manufacturing but never talks about the amount of services the US exports. That's a huge number that he never brings up.
Yes, the focus is entirely on “goods”. I think this is probably in line with the emphasis on manufacturing, fuels, etc.

I have read that the US runs a surplus in services, although the combined goods and services number is still a deficit.

At one time, the US believed that trading low wage manufacturing jobs for high wage service jobs would be a win, and to a great extent that’s what has happened. I guess some people are rethinking this strategy currently since globalism is now a dirty word.

Clearly the wealth gap has increased badly, although I don’t know that the increase in service jobs is the reason. Will increasing manufacturing narrow the wealth gap? I don’t know. I personally feel that we’d need to revisit our tax structure and the social safety net programs.
 
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Yes, the focus is entirely on “goods”. I think this is probably in line with the emphasis on manufacturing, fuels, etc.

I have read that the US runs a surplus in services, although the combined goods and services number is still a deficit.

At one time, the US believed that trading low wage manufacturing jobs for high wage service jobs would be a win, and to a great extent that’s what has happened. I guess some people are rethinking this strategy currently since globalism is now a dirty word.

Clearly the wealth gap has increased badly, although I don’t know that the increase in service jobs is the reason. Will increasing manufacturing narrow the wealth gap? I don’t know. I personally feel that we’d need to revisit our tax structure and the social safety net programs.

Zero chance in hell that an increase in manual labor would narrow the wealth gap.
 
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