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  1. jreagan Jan 28, 2019

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    Hi All,

    Saw this one for sale recently. Wondering if it looks OK? I think it looks overpolished but Im new to this reference so open to your thoughts.

    Thanks OF!

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  2. TexOmega Jan 28, 2019

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    I'd post over on our sister site(same ID and passwords)

    "On The Dash"

    That site is pretty much dedicated to Heuer watches
     
  3. E-diddy Jan 29, 2019

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    it doesn't. polished case, relumed dial (and hands possibly).
     
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  4. MaiLollo Jan 29, 2019

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    It is a 2nd execution that looks original from these few pictures.
    A very desireable watch, even if this example has a couple of major issues: the case was polished (I wouldn’t buy it just on this merit) and the dial has greenish looking lume, which I haven’t seen a lot of on Carreras.
    An important thing is to have pictures of what’s between the lugs: on one side you should have the ref (2447) and on the other the serial number.

    Hère is thé watch i purchased last week-end, its a mark1 but you can see how lume “usually” looks & thé case

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    If thé price is low, i would still consider it
     
  5. jreagan Jan 29, 2019

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    Price is 8000 USD. Seems on the low end of what these go for.

    Here are the case markings:

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  6. trash_gordon Jan 29, 2019

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    Price seems ok…but you have to live with a polished case and a relumed dial.
     
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  7. jhross98 Jan 29, 2019

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    you will have a *very* hard time re-selling this watch. . i would pass. its a great time to be buying carreras with the price pullback i'd look around
     
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  8. bazamu wincer, not a bidder Jan 29, 2019

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    Personally, I'd rather pay $15K for a perfect 2447N than $8K for a re-lumed and polished one. Condition is key in this hobby.
     
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  9. CajunTiger Cajuns and Gators can't read newspapers! Jan 29, 2019

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    Personally the lume is a complete turn off...I would avoid.
     
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  10. vujen Jan 29, 2019

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    In my opinion the only issue about this item is the overpolished case. I wouldn't care to much about relumed hands and dial - but it's just my opinion. Carreras are not rare, and their prices are collapsing (yes, it's true!), so maybe if you're looking for it it's better to be patient and waiting for the best example you can find.
     
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  11. trash_gordon Jan 29, 2019

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    Hm. Black dial Carreras are quite rare i would say. Compared to Speedies ;)
     
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  12. MaiLollo Jan 29, 2019

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    Well, rarity obviously is a relative concept, but when you see that there are 3 2447Ns on chrono24 vs tens of 2998s for instance, maybe you could say that it's not that common of a watch ;)
     
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  13. CajunTiger Cajuns and Gators can't read newspapers! Jan 29, 2019

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    I pretty much disagree with everything here except your last statement.

    My .02: The Carrera is not very common relative to most other collectable watch models, they were made in small numbers as Heuer was a small company. Prices are not "collapsing"...they have corrected due to an extreme rise in values in a short period of time. A nice example of a 2447N will still command a strong price, as they just aren't that common.

    The issue with this example is 99% the lume in the hands and the dial...if they were original and attractive, the over polished case would be mostly forgiven. Add to that the sellers description raises many red flags for me. I would avoid this completely.
     
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  14. bazamu wincer, not a bidder Jan 29, 2019

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    Whenever I see someone post that Heuer prices are "collapsing" I just want to do this:
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    The only models that have "collapsed" are the $200,000 first execution Autavias, and with those, only 2-3 were sold in that price range. Carreras never followed the skyrocketing trajectory of Autavias and, as such, really have not fallen back much. About a month ago, I sold a second execution 2447N that was unpolished with an 8/10 dial (a few damaged plots) for over 50% more than the watch in question here...in less than 24 hours. Probably had 25 inquiries and three serious buyers. The market is quite healthy when the example warrants it.
     
  15. vujen Jan 30, 2019

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    I just saw a Dato 45 sold for (if I remember well) 4K this week. Three 2447N for sale way under the 9K this month - a year ago was impossible to find one of these under 12K - and generally speaking lots, rally lots of Carrera for sale. Way more than last year.
    Autavia quotations are actually embarrassing IMO, and - always of course in my humble opinion - a watch that has lost about 30% of its value within a year is collapsing. Just that.
    Maybe I am wrong! Good for Heuer collectors!
     
  16. MaiLollo Jan 30, 2019

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    I think that carrera prices, indeed, are lower than they were a year ago. I don't know where you've seen 2447N's selling "way under 9k" (which currency btw?), but if you have links I would be interested to check them out.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's an opportunity to acquire a grail at a discount vs its highest point, and I don't think that demand isn't there anymore. I know that I've shown my newly acquired watch to some friends, and already a couple have asked to buy it, which speaks about its desirability ;)
     
  17. vujen Jan 30, 2019

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    Speaking about rarity: A 13ZN with mushroom pushers is rare. A Standard 2447N is not rare. If I'd want to buy it right now, I'd have several choices!
    They are not Datejust, but they're not "rare".
     
  18. jhross98 Jan 30, 2019

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    i think its indisputable that heuer and carrera prices are down. this is as it should be after such a huge run up. however, i also think the "sky is falling" narrative is flat wrong

    the market is distinguishing between truly rare and not-so-rare, and pristine all original examples are getting huge premiums to mediocre examples. this is as it should be.

    the reality is there is very little great heuer for sale now

    just look at the recent skipperera at auction which traded near the all time high price. . i think seafarers are also basically flat over the past 2 years not down at all. great watches still get strong prices
    i personally would use this weakness to buy great heuer and an unpolished 2447N would be top of the list

    my perfect 3647N on GF bracelet says hello. . and i would not sell it at any price

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  19. jhross98 Jan 30, 2019

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    2447Ns are NOT common watches. look at the 3 on chrono24. . 2 have issues minor to major, one looks good and is asking 25k
     
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  20. vujen Jan 30, 2019

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    This is my opinion too.
    And even because 2447N are maybe the best "value keeping" of all Carreras. I mean, if you see at 3147 values... it's tragic. Is it right? Is it not right? I don't know.
    But personally this week I saw three 3147S for sale: one sold at around 4K€ on the bay, and 2 others for sale - not sold - at 6 and 6.8K€. IMO this was unthinkable just one year ago (simply go to watchpatrol to check it).