Here is a 105.003-64 You Don't see often. Wally Schirra's Speedmaster auction...

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We're going to regret this in 5 years.
😉 I will share more detailed photos and information on this incredible piece of Omega history once it arrives. I’ll be visiting Omega’s HQ in November so hopefully I can try and pry some information out of them about these bezels that they’ve never officially acknowledged.

 
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Congratulations 👍

Great to see it goes to someone who will share some more details after arrival (even when he is new to the OF world).

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Congratulations 👍

Great to see it goes to someone who will share some more details after arrival (even when he is new to the OF world).

BR
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👍 New to OF but not to Omega as an enthusiast (or watches in general) so I’ll definitely share more info. I know a lot of times these pieces get snapped up and you never see or hear about them again OR they get snapped up by a dealer and show up in another auction down the road… like some of the gold Apollo astronaut watches have recently. I’m not a dealer.
 
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👍 New to OF but not to Omega as an enthusiast (or watches in general) so I’ll definitely share more info. I know a lot of times these pieces get snapped up and you never see or hear about them again OR they get snapped up by a dealer and show up in another auction down the road… like some of the gold Apollo astronaut watches have recently. I’m not a dealer.
Congrats !! That is an awesome watch and a great deal imo.
 
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Well, perhaps Wally Schirra mentioned " it was the same type of wrist watch he wore on Gemini VIa "

What do the NASA photos show ?
Walter Schirra wore his personal CK2998-4 from at least April 1962 to September 1966 !
What happened in October 1966 ?
Well, on October 22, 1966 during a ceremony at the Naval Academy - Anapolis Maryland, three NASA astronauts received a Rolex GMT-master 1675 Pepsi pilot watch:
Anapolis graduates Walter "Wally" Schirra, Thomas "Tom" Stafford and James "Jim" Lovell
From then on we see both Schirra (1967 Apollo 1 investigation) and Lovell (Apollo NASA training) often wearing their Rolex GMT-master 1675 Pepsi pilot watch.

We all know Schirra wore his CK2998-4 during water egress training and even in his pool at home!
The last time we saw Schirra's personal CK2998 during NASA training was during Gemini III where he and Stafford acted as backup crew. Bezelless by February 1965... (NASA photo 65C-1347)
Summer 1965 onwards, we see a bezelless straight lugs Speedmaster with clear white hands, more than probably a NASA-issued 105.003, visible in some of the September 1965 Gemini VI weight & balance photographs. (NASA photo S65-4319).
After the October 25, 1965 ATV failure, the mission became Gemini VIa ... and we keep seeing Schirra wearing a bezelless straight lugs Speedmaster. Although we know NASA reserved specific Speedies for actual spaceflight missions, it's unclear if this was the NASA-issued 105.003-64 n° 19 he finally wore during the mission.
During the October 20, 1965 official crew photo session, he wore the bezelless straight lugs Speedmaster with clear white hands (there're at least a dozen different photos of this session).
On the actual launch day, December 15, 1965 Stafford clearly wore two Speedmaster 105.003 (one bezelless) with Schirra wearing a 105.003 at his left forearm... the longer I look at these photos the harder it becomes to tell if it was bezelless...
There's no photographic proof of Schirra wearing a second wrist watch underneath the space suit, both pre-launch suit up and post splash-down photos show clear wrists...
A very last possibility might be the fact that Schirra took it onboard as an extra item, after all he smuggled a little mouth harmonica and a string of jingle bells onboard the spacecraft.
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Gemini VII launched first (lasted about 14 days), followed by Gemini VIa to rendez-vous with VIa lasting about 26 hours...
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@pdxleaf and @SpeedyPhill and the rest of you guys, thanks for the very interesting and detailed info!
So nice to read about this stuff!
👍👍👍
And have a lovely Friday OF!
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I’ll be visiting Omega’s HQ in November so hopefully I can try and pry some information out of them about these bezels that they’ve never officially acknowledged.
I was expecting Omega to be a bidder, although hoping not.

Try to find out where it was sold. The S/N suggests it was from April, 65, which is also around the same time as the first NASA purchase request of 17 watches (not all of which have been accounted for.) I don't think your new watch was part of the 17 because it doesn't have an inventory number. But I have wondered if Wally purchased his at the same time. NASA said it would receive the watches from a local vendor, although they sent the purchase request to Omega ( I think) in NYC. So it's possible the 17 watches came from a dealer in Houston. It's also possible that Omega gave Wally a deal for this watch, as astronaut fever was hot. Bottom line, it'd be great to know where and when the watch was acquired.

Also try to get a photo of the doctor wearing the watch. The family may have one and would probably be happy to know that you're interested in preserving that history.

Well done on the auction. I doubt we'll see another like it.

And thanks for sharing. Welcome to the OF.
 
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Any sense from any of our local pundits whether a blue bezel example has after been associated with any Speedmaster related to the space program, and if not, what’s the hypothesis as to how this lone example came to be.
 
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Phil, the hands on the watch on the far right look a bit leafy, no?

 
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I was expecting Omega to be a bidder, although hoping not.

Try to find out where it was sold. The S/N suggests it was from April, 65, which is also around the same time as the first NASA purchase request of 17 watches (not all of which have been accounted for.) I don't think your new watch was part of the 17 because it doesn't have an inventory number. But I have wondered if Wally purchased his at the same time. NASA said it would receive the watches from a local vendor, although they sent the purchase request to Omega ( I think) in NYC. So it's possible the 17 watches came from a dealer in Houston. It's also possible that Omega gave Wally a deal for this watch, as astronaut fever was hot. Bottom line, it'd be great to know where and when the watch was acquired.

Also try to get a photo of the doctor wearing the watch. The family may have one and would probably be happy to know that you're interested in preserving that history.

Well done on the auction. I doubt we'll see another like it.

And thanks for sharing. Welcome to the OF.
While I will be visiting Omega's HQ... Omega was not a bidder. My visit is coincidental and was planned before I even knew this watch was consigned in this auction.

I'll be seeing what I can get on the serial number, etc. Already in the process of doing so. And if not... I'll wear it on my wrist when I visit Biel/Bienne 😂.

I did not already have a vintage "Ed White" in my collection as I was waiting until I found something I thought was special. And this was it.
 
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Any sense from any of our local pundits whether a blue bezel example has after been associated with any Speedmaster related to the space program, and if not, what’s the hypothesis as to how this lone example came to be.
It's the only one that I am aware of that has astronaut related provenance.

They weren't blue to begin with in the same way that tropical dials weren't tropical when they left the factory. Although how they got that way doesn't appear to be the same way tropical dials end up that way (which is from UV and environmental conditions).

These watches left the factory with black bezels. It was then most likely an anodizing paint defect that caused the black bezels to turn blue and it only impacted a very limited number of bezels. Known examples tend to be clustered around specific serial number ranges that date to production batches in mid-late 1964.

When they turned blue they did so uniformly. It wasn't the black fading like you might see in a ghost bezel but a chemical reaction that caused a more fundamental color transformation from black to blue.

As for how this lone example came to be... most likely pure happenstance.
 
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@UltraSpeedy , I was also curious about the minute hand on your watch, how it's white in the center, then has a sharp edge after which it is worn.


Here's Conrad's watch with a similar minute hand. Makes me wonder if there was an environmental element that caused it, although no idea what. (Maybe the tool they used to remove the hands?)


https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/chronograph-conrad-gemini-5/nasm_A19771141000
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Any sense from any of our local pundits whether a blue bezel example has after been associated with any Speedmaster related to the space program, and if not, what’s the hypothesis as to how this lone example came to be.
Snoopy 50 has a blue bezel.............and its "related" to the space program....
 
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Phil, the hands on the watch on the far right look a bit leafy, no?

Well, aren't those called Alpha Baton hands ? ( clearly straight lugs bezelless Speedmaster with applied logo = CK2998-4 on lightweight JB Champion bracelet)
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If 1960s NASA photos learn us one thing wrist-watch-wise, it's the fact the astronauts loved their watches with Walter Schirra, James Lovell and Charles Conrad in my top 3.
Photos show Schirra wearing at least a dozen different watches, Accutron, Accutron Astronaut, Omega Speedmaster CK2998-4, Speedmaster 105.003, Speedmaster 105.012-65, Rolex GMT-master 1675, Rolex Daytona 6240, Gold Speedmaster BA145.022-69 etc... so no wonder he had another Speedmaster...
Interesting 1964 LIFE magazine photos at his home, swimming with the bezelless CK2998-4
(Photos: LIFE / NASA / MoonwatchUniverse )
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@UltraSpeedy
IMHO the best photo-documented case of a watch turning "Tropical" was the Movado Datachron HS360 automatic chronograph worn by NASA astronaut Gerald Carr as NASA Skylab SL-4 photos clearly show a blue dial watch, which turned completely "Tropical" 4 decades later !
(Photos: NASA/Hodinkee)
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Speedmaster aficionados know about the blue DNN bezel used on the commemorative 2005 Gemini IV Speedmaster but they also know that some of the 1960s Speedmaster 105.003-64 versions got a patinated blue DON bezel over time... 🧐